meh, disagree, I dont think I could make as much money from competitive gaming even if I reached the highest levels in Dota, LoL or CS:GO

people think that because someone wins 100k from a tournament once that they make a lot of money but they are not looking at it from an EV perspective, there is still a lot of variance in tournaments in e-sports

if anything twitch is where the money is atm, not competitive gaming

I'm not just talking about winning one tournament, I'm talking about the actual salaries, bonus and publicity (endorsements) that top gamer's are getting right now, and like you said, that doesn't even include the 100+k you can pull in from being a popular twitch streamer.

Obviously minus twitch these are the top select few, but there's more money in it for those select few then there is for the top players in online poker right now. Add live Poker to the equation and it's probably tilted in poker's favor, but who wants to spend their entire life at a casino anyways?

well I can only talk for starcraft 2 because this is what I was involved in but the very top players, including salaries and all don't make anywhere close to what top players make in poker

Starcraft 2 has really fizzled out in the last few years, the money has gone into other games for now it seems. I'm excluding tournament wins here, but the top LoL players were rumored to be pulling in a couple million a year from their team, streams and endorsements.

Are there players making this in poker? I'd assume there are a handful (online cash), but that comes with ridiculously higher variance and stress.

online poker has lower ceiling for sure, but also the money distribution is not that top heavy. You dont need to be at the top to grind out living playing poker, atleast not for now.

more reasons to start taking it seriously if you want to make a living in 2016 than in 2010 for sure, in 2010 knowing what potodds was enought for make a decent living, now.. barely.

That's a good question. And nobody should at this point. Online poker has been declining for years. It's continuing to shrink.

Pros are using training sites, coaches, huds, seating scripts, solvers and bumhunt in order to make a profit (and those profits are shrinking every year). It sounds like a job in a cubicle.

Then there's bots and other real time in game assistance software, and increasing rake hikes.

There is literally a 0% chance a casual recreational player walks away with money in their pocket, let alone even have an upswing. They know this. That's why there's less and less fish every year. For those looking to gamble is a lot easier and less time consuming to punt on sports or play online blackjack or w/e

Sure but taking it seriously now starting out will likely lead to you wasting a lot of time and making scraps before realizing poker (especially online) doesn't have much of a future.

Taking it seriously in 2010 would have made you a lot of money,moved you up the ranks quickly and left you with enough money to play high enough stakes even today to make good money.

People pointing out that there exist well-paid professional computer game players should reread the post they are replying to.

He's describing pretty much my case. 38 years old, steady job, interested in poker 3 years and doing it as a serious hobby - up lifetime maybe the equivalent of 1-2 months earnings at my proper job.

I'm pretty sure there are way more people like me than there are people who are up lifetime at golf, chess, football or computer game hobbies they took up in their mid 30s.

Ugh, I arrived in Vegas last night (Saturday) & the biggest NL game in town running was 5/10 at the Bellagio, what a joke.

Why should a persons main reason for pursuing a hobby or not is if they can profit from it? If you need more money then get a better job ffs.

To give a simular perspective;
I play streetfighter some times and one thing i dont like is when i have to play some guy who basicly made a job of this game just so he can kicks pretty much all recs asses. I dont like that either.

Have you lot considered shutting the **** up and actually enjoying yourselves, that's why we all started in the first place right ?

It doesn't have to be, but for many people who play poker it is.
There are many things I would rather be doing than playing poker most of the time. I do really enjoy pot limit omaha but if I had millions in the bank would probably just play that 10-20 times a year.

That's pathetic especially during march madness.

OP how certain are you? Seems pretty damn sad.

Haralabos was a promising playwrite who went on a tourney heater one week, bought a new suit, and never really was the same. These days you'll finding him ranting about Kurt Rambis mostly. Sad tale.

100% & it's the same tonight at 9.24pm the biggest game in town is 5/10

Damn. Well should change with wsop I would guess.

I hope so I'm here for 8 weeks!

So we should just all do jobs that pay the most money we can get so we can spend the money on whatever expensive enjoyment we want, rather than considering the balance of money, enjoyment and time in all decisions?

The 20th century called and it wants its life philosophy back.

lol how can no casino be spreading higher than 5-10 in Vegas

There is still a curve, you just have o stay ahead.

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I live in Poland, which is one of the richer eastern european countries, and trust me, 1k$/month is a solid pay for a young, single person. And it is more than a (net) median pay, which according to wiki is around 750$, and if you register as unemployed you get free healthcare and other stuff from public sector.

You beat me too it BnR, lol. Pathetic really, no matter where you live and/or what your economy is.

Tut, you are a seriously flawed individual imo.

There is no 10/20 at the Bellagio?