Why Not Five Card Stud For TV? - Poker News

Pot Limit would probably be better than No Limit. (I may have suggested this before but it was less likely to have been a good idea during holdem's heyday.)
The thing about five stud is that almost all viewers would instantly understand exactly whats going on. An even though the game is very amenable to game theory analysis it is also true that a conniving beginner would not be at a big disadvantage to an expert as compared to holdem (mainly because the lesser hand is rarely getting the "correct" pot odds against the better one.)

Someone should at least try it.

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02-11-2018 , 05:24 PM

H0RUS

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Hi Cincinnati Kid

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02-11-2018 , 05:26 PM

H0RUS

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Organize a game and stream it on 2+2

I'd watch

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02-11-2018 , 05:40 PM

Aces123123

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Soko is really a better game than 5 card stud. If played pot limit. I wish some online sites would spread it.

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02-11-2018 , 05:54 PM

pucmo

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Originally Posted by Aces123123

Soko is really a better game than 5 card stud. If played pot limit. I wish some online sites would spread it.

It is better, as suited and/or connected starters become a consideration. I prefer half-pot limit.

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02-11-2018 , 06:11 PM

PuckFokerGo

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I think PL 2-7 TD would be more popular, but I doubt it achieves the popularity of PLO, let alone NLHE.

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02-11-2018 , 06:24 PM

btc

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TV is perfect because only old people still watch it and those viewers are your demographic.

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02-11-2018 , 06:25 PM

PuckFokerGo

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I think the reason NLHE and LHE have achieved the most popularity out of all poker variants is that they are complex games with a lot of variance that people can be fooled into thinking is a much simpler game.

The main issue with televising PLO is that it's too obviously a complex game. There's a much higher barrier to entry in PLO, because just learning a tight beginner strategy is quite complicated. In this respect NLHE vs PLO is like Skiing vs Snowboarding. It's much easier to become a mediocre recreational skier than it is a snowboarder.

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02-11-2018 , 06:27 PM

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A first step might be getting 5-Stud back into the WSOP Schedule again, if it ever was on the schedule anyway.

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02-11-2018 , 06:45 PM

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The reason for the decline of poker on TV isn't that viewer aren't able to understand what is going on. At this point, everyone who was inclined to get interested in playing or watching poker knows how to play NLHE.

If anything, people understand too much about what is going on. They've seen every TV poker situation enough times already, and enountered every archetype of poker personality, that nothing is surprising anymore, and thus much less interesting.

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02-11-2018 , 06:50 PM

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I've stopped watching TV poker bec it's nearly always: 'So and so, at 25 years old, has been a professional player since he was 18.' The next player is similarly described and the next and the next. Maybe try 'House wives of Beverly Hills $2,500 BI tourney'. That might get some viewers.

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02-11-2018 , 06:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Howard Beale

I've stopped watching TV poker bec it's nearly always: 'So and so, at 25 years old, has been a professional player since he was 18.' The next player is similarly described and the next and the next.

Five Card Stud would definitely be the antidote to that, considering the last player to win a WSOP bracelet in Five Card Stud died twenty years ago at the age of 91.

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02-11-2018 , 06:55 PM

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tuccotrading

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I had to sell my TV because my horrible poker play.

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02-11-2018 , 07:06 PM

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Originally Posted by David Sklansky

I may have suggested this before but it was less likely to have been a good idea during holdem's heyday.

Aren't we still in Hold `Em's heyday, or at least dominance? We're obviously past the boom, but it's not like anything has come close to overtaking HE as the most popular poker game.

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Originally Posted by David Sklansky

...mainly because the lesser hand is rarely getting the "correct" pot odds against the better one.

So am I understanding it correctly that the FCS beginner is not at a big disadvantage because they will rarely be getting the correct pot odds to call with hands that are behind, so they'll be making a lot of sensible folds? If so, I'm not sure how extremely simple gameplay plus lots of folding equals great TV, but of course I've never actually seen the game played live.

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02-11-2018 , 07:58 PM

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Originally Posted by PuckFokerGo

I think PL 2-7 TD would be more popular, but I doubt it achieves the popularity of PLO, let alone NLHE.

I Agree with this. PL 2-7 TD is such a fun game to watch, and the pots get very big !! Also, it is pretty simple to figure out how to play.

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02-11-2018 , 08:19 PM

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I don't think it could hurt to try it out. I think that it might be challenging with the way card reader tables are built right now but there is probably a way to make it work.

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02-11-2018 , 09:38 PM

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Pretty much any form of poker other than PLO should be televised. It is THE nut low to watch.

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02-11-2018 , 10:25 PM

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I'd like to see Five Card Stud experimented with for TV poker a few times and see how audiences like it.

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02-11-2018 , 10:29 PM

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Howard Beale

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They're not going to like it. The player w/ the Ace/King door raises and everyone folds 9 times out of 10.

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02-12-2018 , 03:49 AM

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tuccotrading

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I would not mind seeing how this goes a few times.

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02-12-2018 , 04:01 AM

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Is the fact no one plays this game have an influence of this decision?

It just unreal how unpopular the different games actually are, no one was playing hardly any of these more obscure games on Pokerstars at even the lowest stakes. I used to play 8 game a bit on stars and in peak times there were literally 2/3 tables at the lower stakes. The actual individual variant games, the lobbies are empty and this on the biggest site with the most liquidity.

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02-12-2018 , 06:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Howard Beale

They're not going to like it. The player w/ the Ace/King door raises and everyone folds 9 times out of 10.

You can remedy this a bit by adding a single joker in the deck. Mexican poker, which is spread at the Bicycle Casino, is a "roll your own" 5 card stud game played with a strip deck, NL. The joker when dealt up only counts to fill straights and flushes or as an ace. When it's dealt down it is truly wild.

This would be much too complex for TV but you could play regular 5 card stud with a single joker that could be truly wild all the time or use the up/down wild card rule of Mexican poker. This would prevent the highest card from basically always stealing the antes.

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02-12-2018 , 08:26 AM

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gregorio

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Advertisers will love this as it will really appeal that 90+ demographic

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02-12-2018 , 10:40 AM

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Why Not Five Card Stud For Radio?

fixed your title

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02-12-2018 , 12:21 PM

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PTLou

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previous two posts were pretty funny.

btc's probably edges out other but by just a hair.

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