they just don't NEED the money enough and aren't desperate to whore themselves out. their mission isn't to be known to every donk in the world. they are independent.

compare them to someone like Phil Hellmuth. if he had NO sponsorship or endorsements of any kind, how much would he earn in a year from poker? i'd bet it is way under $250k if it is actually over $0 at all. he NEEDS this sponsorship because he suck at poker and only plays donkaments

I tend tyo agree with the business side of this both parties have to bring equal value to the table and while galfond and Dwan can bring someethings to the table such as The noteriety that this is the site where they can be found only a small percentage of the site traffic will be able to afford the stakes these guys play at .... The Known pros tend to getter better deals because people recognize them when they see them .... so the advertising end blends well for the site ... not sure i could pick Galfond out of a lineup and may struggle a bit picking out Dwan but the likes of Ivey Harmen etc are familiar faces .... Right now I dont think it is a win win for either party.
Just my 2 cents

i hear this is in the works durrrrpokers.com

a new site that lets you cash out
+instant 40%rb for all players with a 3x times up to $5000 sign up bonus

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btw - daniels comment made me laugh, too. all this stuff about how contract players have to provide new customers to "their" site - coming from a guy hardly known outside of poker. but w/e.

I think Daniel summed it up nicely.

Even though they're the two most known internet players in the world, FTP probably can't justify paying them X amount of dollars a year right now when there won't be a significant return on their dollar. And obv. Phil and Tom aren't going to sell themselves short when they deserve more. This is the holdup.

If Tom continues to be active on the tournament circuit, be apart of all FTP televised events (Aussie Millions, PAD, Heads-up Championship), and feud with Phil Hellmuth, then I imagine it's only a matter of time. Phil as well.

I don't think either would be added to the team though, as Howard has said the only players out there that belong on the team who aren't currently are Daniel and Doyle.

Do you have any idea what you're talking about?

Why the hell would Tom Dwan fly to England for the European WSOP, fly to Australia for the Aussie Millions, and play in every 10k+ WSOP and WPT donkament if he wasn't trying to get his name out there? Obviously he could have just stayed home, and made more money playing online.

Not surprising that this thread brings out the ******s

Maybe it's cause he (galfond) makes calls like this....lol
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pretty good battle none the less. Tough situation no doubt. I woulda folded but for different reasons :P

TilterRick said they(atleast Durrrr, but believe he may have mentioned OMG) wanted too big of a deal.

I don´t think so. The more I watch Dwan play Poker on Television, the less I´m inclined to play Poker. And I´m one of those who are alread hooked. Now imagine some random John Doe watching Dwan play. I mean, he can´t even talk properly. All the big contract players in poker have at least some entertainment value. Dwan has none of that. What´s more, he comes from a saturated market. There´s no reason whatsoever to sign him.

cause durrrrr has a face for radio

Both of them already have made splashes in live poker tournaments, Phil winning a bracelet this year (not televised I guess?) and durr having made a WPT final table. Of course, the splash from a WPT final table isn't quite as wet as it used to be, so whatever.

That said, yeah, as you imply, I think these two could easily have gotten a deal by now if they were willing to settle for something that wouldn't improve their financial situations meaningfully, and short of that, I think independence has a lot of value for elite players like Phil and Tom.

My take:

Durrr isn't exactly the most memorable of guys now is he? I mean sure he has some sick poker skills and does a good job of winding up Hellmuth but he's just a plain looking kid with practically zero T.V. personality (he may be a great guy to have around IRL but he comes across dull on T.V)


Phil G. on the other hand is likely already sponsored by lord of the rings and Adobe Photoshop

With the money these guys are making, it doesn't make sense for them to take a deal with FTP unless FTP gave them an ownership stake, imo

1) are we? How do you know much money they're making?
2) Obviously it's not completely to do with popularity or some of the other players wouldnt have been signed who are way less well known.

I really dont know why clueless ****s post in this forum.

2 more examples:

1. John Phan, who has a long track record prior to winning two untelevised bracelet event at the 2008 WSOP, has not signed any deal.

2. Alexandre Gomes, who was a virtual unknown in the poker world before he won an untelevised 2008 WSOP bracelet event (at a side table while the $50,000 HORSE final table was being filmed by ESPN), got a "pre-emptive, knockout" bid from PokerStars.net 5 days after he won his bracelet. Alexandre accepted the "Team PokerStars.net Pro" deal even though at least two other competitors were interested in his services.

The difference between John and Alexandre?

Alexandre is a 25-year-old former lawyer from Brazil, which is one of the hottest emerging online poker markets in 2008.

However, John is from Vietnam, which is 100% closed to privately-owned online poker and online gambling while the Vietnamese government tries to get its act together to launch a 100% government-owned online gambling monopoly website sometime in the future.

olivert: I knew someone would mention the crusades of the big poker rooms to make inroads into parts of Europe and South America in this thread as reason to why these two aren't signed and even I thought about it at first but let's face it, that's not the reason for it.

I know you're implying that player x who is American doesn't have as good of a chance to get a deal than player y who is Brazilian which is true but both Dwan and Galfond have huge online profiles and have started increasing their profiles on the live circuit so the only logical reason that they aren't signed yet HAS to be the fact that they aren't happy with the offers they have gotten so far, probably the typical full tilt pro deal, not because they are American and poker companies usually don't sign many Americans these days.

Not here to hate on Durrrr or Galfond, but realistically they have no shot of becoming full tilt members, while they be signed by FT? Most likely yes, but if they're waiting to be signed as FT members....lol

This is the most ridiculous comment I've read all day.

How do you sell out in poker? When you sign then you stop playing "indie" poker and play "pop" poker.

And saying /thread was cool like 2 years ago.

I was talking about rakeback, maybe you should not be so clueless. Anyway, what is normal rakeback for FTP? 27% vs 100%. That's much.

I agree with daniel. Signing some guy like gavin griffith makes way more sense than durr. Gavin is gregarious where durrr isn't.

When FT singed Patrick, Howard said something along the lines of the only players out their FT needs to get are Dan N. and Doyle Brunson.

It is about popularity and personality, not the amount of poker winnings.

"Lederer said of Patrik, “There are really only three guys out there that belong on Team Full Tilt. Daniel (Negreanu), Doyle (Brunson), and Patrik. Obviously, Daniel and Doyle have commitments, leaving Patrick as the one guy out there we really wanted. We’re thrilled to have Patrik join Team Full Tilt.”

http://www.pokerownage.com/gambling-...eam-full-tilt/

Good post and hits the nail on the head nicely, particularly the part I've emboldened. You're certainly right about neither making a "big splash" yet, though they have been on TV, with less media interest in poker these days as before (where people, such as yourself, became huge overnight) it'll take a good bit more exposure to the non-poker playing public or those who have a casual interest in it to be able to demand the deal they want (and, in a lot of peoples eyes, deserve).

A few years ago with the exposure they've received already I'd imagine they could demand exactly what they wanted, but these days the "poker climate" is obviously a lot different.

I wonder if it would have made a difference had Phil G acted/played differently on HSP...?

Durrr seems to be putting more effort into his public persona/media exposure these days so I wouldn't be surprised if he was approached with a "better" deal sometime in the near future.

Wow, I do not know where to begin with this. Is this a level or are you really that stupid?

I'm going to go with the latter for the time being as, well, these type threads tend to attract your, or those, type people.

hey look a buncha ppl who dont have a clue telling someone who does they are wrong. nvgggggggggggg

Soon as Phil makes a video I'm quitting poker to watch his videos full time