^^^^^

The entry point to play is too high with 100 bucks at a casino to start playing. In 2004 you could deposit 10 bucks online using a credit card

making money at poker is a myth

Thanks for the shout out. No hard work done here folks, move along. Just running good, definitely doesn't prove I'm a winner or anything, just a luck box.

yeah upswinging is probably just not very good, I had a very high winrate when I was allowed to play on ignition (was bodog at the time), 10bb/100 is good bit harder to achieve on sites with eastern europeans though

Obviously running well, but certainly proves beyond a reasonable doubt that I'm a winning player and there is certainly money to be made.

yea, but it seems most players struggling don't want to admit they're making mistakes, they'd rather think they're unlucky and that winners are just lucky, it was like that when I started playing 11 years ago, probably won't ever change

Its the Dunning Kruger effect in action.

Ok, so clearly given that the micros are so ridiculously easy according to people here, why aren't we seeing any players rising from micros to high stakes anymore?

There's 2 possible explanations:

1. Micros are indeed incredibly easy to beat for anyone with 2 brain cells and a basic knowledge of poker, but there is a massive jump in skill level at 100nl-200nl which prevents anyone moving any further beyond that.

2. Micros are not as easy as people make them out to be and you have to have a very solid poker knowledge, mental game and work ethic in order to beat them. Along with a decent portion of run-good/very good table selection.


Which one is it?

The people that are generally going to be able to have large success with poker are likely to be successful in other areas. Also, while ~100k (and higher) years can certainly be attainable, that is a far cry from 250k+ years being attainable with equal/less effort in the past. This is also for basically the best players who study regularly, play often, and table/site select.

I myself started at 5nl and I'm hoping to make 100k+ this year as a noobie pro.

I think it's both of these to some degree + high rake at micros.

Micros are easy, but probably not as easy as people make them out to be. They're 10x harder than they were 10 years ago.

And yes there is somewhat of a jump in skill level right around 200nl.

I think there are just more players who stay on stakes they are comfortable at.

For example some micro grinders who dont seem to move up:
https://de.sharkscope.com/#Player-St...layers/belsoNq
https://de.sharkscope.com/#Player-St...layers/Mikruxa
https://de.sharkscope.com/#Player-St...layers/RaffaPK

I think we can agree that with 10k in profits you should be able to move up. And I think it becomes a problem when players just stay at the micros, grind it out and cash it our regularly. Thats when(why) Stars will continue to go after the players to force them to move up eventually.

The other problem is how long it takes to grind it up. Easywithaces mentioned yesterday on stream that if you want to take it seriously you should play around 40hrs a week and study 20hrs. But who has that time? Nobody who works a job or is studying will have that time for longer than few weeks. At this point it becomes the question if the time commitment is worth it. It becomes even harder if you not just have to grow your bankroll but also pay your bills with it.

Noobie pros are gonna noobie pro. You're exact same situation has been played out hundreds, if not thousands of times by other "crushers" throughout online poker. It's the exact same path. They study some, use some software, run hot and then start coaching/ staking/ posting graphs for validation. Do you want to know what's happened to them?

Go check out the old ssnl fr reg thread or the where are they now in nvg. It's all the same. Don't get cocky bro

I'll bet anyone $1 million I can beat micro-stakes NLHE online.

2 weeks of work and I'll be a winner.

So where's your graph bruh? Are you speaking from experience or just your observations of other crushers rising and falling? Like gravity right? What goes up must come down.

We are. Maybe you aren't paying attention. Or maybe players are becoming more low-key about winning. But several people, including myself, have posted itt about moving up from 5nl to 200nl+ in the last year. clearly it's still possible for people willing to work

Well, I also have my bachelors degree in materials engineering and a minor in biomedical engineering. I don't play on playing poker forever, bro.

Good analogy.

Also, training sites and ptr making games tougher, and post BF, a lot less glamour for becoming well known as a successful online player so a lot of very big winners stay private


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There is at least one 21 year old playing the biggest stakes on some US sites. They just don't get publicity

Not sure what side this supports since he started playing in 2005, but this guy turned 20 bucks into 7 million plus and chose to stay relatively anonymous until retiring to not kill any of his action



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LOL have you seen his interview? It would be better to be borderline broke living paycheck to paycheck then to be Cumicon with his millions.

He looked dead inside

lolz

I'd say he was always like that though. When talking about his 5 year poker grind he acted like he had survived a concentration camp or something, when in reality it was little different to the average 9-5 office job or something.

Dude was glued to his computer at his home by himself for 5 years for the most part in a foreign land and didn't socialize. At least at a 9-5 you have people around you. It almost sounded like he had no one in his life that entire time. Sounds like hell.

Eh it depends, not everyone is super social or needs a ton of contact to stay sane, he chose to do it that way despite the fact that he could probably have balanced it if he really wanted to by just going out more and taking days off.

People nitpick poker, but you look around the world and you realize there are many ****tier lives out there, even in the western world, lots of people are depressed, lots of people are on drugs or in bad health, 50%+ of marriages end in divorce, I could go on. But grinding 5 years while making millions is hardly close to as bad as some of the "normie" problems out there.

Getting back on topic:

For those that play 100NL+, how many spazzes/dumps from people who have no clue what they're doing take place today? It seems in the past, people were much more willing to just jump in those games, but nowadays it seems like it's all just regs battling and every now and then decentish poker players jump in to get owned (never mind really bad noobies).