Sounds like fun!

nvm

saw the mod saying we had to drop the subject of veganism so I edited

You are my new favorite poster.

Location, location, location. And, proper management.

And, not just in a city, but the city itself matters. Some cities pay delivery drivers much less than other cities. So, you have to be in a city with the proper pay and volume of business. That location was across the street from a major college. Deliveries out the door nonstop when you're on the clock.

That place was well run. They didn't cut corners on labor like a lot of pizza companies do. The pay was high and the place was properly staffed with an abundance of drivers. Which, guaranteed the deliveries were completed extremely fast. Even during peak hours. So, that means much higher tips. Which means more repeat business

Old school places will under staff and underpay. They think they're saving themselves money. In reality, they're losing sales because the food isn't delivered as quickly. For example, I worked across the street for their competitor prior to working at this place and didn't make anywhere near as much money. It was the exact same location, but 2 totally different management styles. The old school place was Pizza Hut and the place with the more modern management style was Domino's. However, I worked at a Domino's in a neighboring city with the old school management approach. It sucked like the Pizza Hut did. So, don't expect Domino's to be like that in every city.

Franchise owners have the freedom to set wages. So, a Domino's in one city can be run differently than a Domino's in another city. If you're consistently getting your pizza within 15-20 min. then you know it's a more modern management style at that place. If you have to wait 30-45 min. regularly then the place is probably run by ******s.

This shows there’s money in any market even those with perceived tiny margins, it just have to run it smarter than your competitors. Ever had a job and thought the boss/owner was a dumbass? You were probably right, lots of stupid narrow minded people own businesses.

Lots of narrow minded people in poker too, especially those who think they are above “sales”. Or maybe not above it, they just dont understand it?

Sales is not tricking people into buying something they don’t want. It’s about having a decent enough product and getting that product in front of people who have a use for it. “To get what you want, help people get what they want”

Without a healthy attitude to top line revenue you are ****ed before you start. Many successful enterprises are owned by someone with a background in sales. It’s not even that hard, I know reps making 80k a year for essentially driving around taking orders

What about if you get your pizza in less than 10 minutes? (which is what usually happens to me )

I ordered a jimmy johns sandwich and had it delivered in like 12 minutes or something and I tipped the guy $20 lol

I've worked there, too. They don't have to cook the food. So, they have an advantage of getting it out the door faster. It's like 6-8 minutes to cook a pizza.

They pay less at Jimmy Johns depending on the city. There are a lot of lawsuits around the country between delivery drivers and franchises. That's why a lot of Jimmy Johns drivers are typically younger kids that lack the work experience to know they're paying paid illegally.

We’re in the midst of a new “boom”: anything involving programming. It’s the path of least resistance to 150k+ Jobs with <5 years experience. Current state of poker can’t compete with that for those with the aptitude to do well in tech.

Poker is way more fun than programming. Hell, poker isn't even work, it's a game.

Its happening, just not on pokerstars.

Is it happening online though? And if so, where?

Micro is a death trap. You can either fight a bunch of nit reg grinders on zoom with no rakeback, and hope you sun run long enough to escape the rake trap, which most never do, or go to the other sites and get crushed by all the bots and rake. Its easier to make money at mid stakes imo. The rare few that ran it up were just in the top 2% of sun run variance imo.

Poker playing still has a bad reputation among the majority of people. It's thought of as a basically a scam, even among people who are fairly intelligent.

Many of the so-called money making pros were hugely subsidized by FTP and PStars, and this money would be distributed down through the sites. Part of this money was literally stolen by FTP and UB from players. That did not help.

And the "good guys" like Ivey, Juanda, Hellmuth, etc were shown to be taking money in amounts where it should have at least given them pause.

I agree with the above. It also became hard to advertise poker in the public. One the one hand you have regulations and on the other hand you have lots or successful players moving to countries where they dont have to pay taxes. Nowadays where countries are trying to hunt down black money and tax evaders you cant advertise a successful pokerplayer who makes lots of money but isnt paying taxes(or trying to avoid).
I remember the outcry when Stars demanded to publish the WCOOP-ME final table players and lots of players just wanted to remain anonymous because they live in countries with questionable jurisdictions. Thats what you get when you try to pay no or very low taxes.

Because parents wised up and keep better track of their Credit Cards, any Credit Cards their children open as "students", and they also keep better track of where every last penny of cash from grants and loans is funneled.

Poker at its heart is a predatory game. You have to find people you can win against. Some people can win against more people so they bumhunt less, but everyone bumhunts to different degrees.

The above is increasingly true for many cities. NYC, LA, and Florida high stakes are in "home games" also. Hell... I couldn't even get invites to low stakes games in my city and I'm not even that good. (200NL and 500NL) If you are a TAG winner, you better have a wonderful personality and constantly butter up your contacts if you want to get into these games. In a lot of cases, people share action or want a cut of your winnings, too.

+1 There are a lot of wealthy people out there who are not sensitive to dropping a few grand at a poker table on regular basis. What they are sensitive to is a) good playing environment, and b) equal playing field.

When everyone puts on their headphones and watches movies at the table, it's not a good playing environment. No good conversation, nothing. And when players share action, give a cut of winnings to the house, soft play each other, etc, it's not an equal playing field. High stakes pros are killing their own action to some extent. This extends to HUDs/DBs/Table scripts/etc - just because it's allowed by the site doesn't mean that it doesn't chase away casual players.

This thread is mostly by US/WEU guys where incomes are much higher, and not surprisingly they complain about Eastern Euro competition. It's a race to the bottom/ After US players get squeezed out by EE, EE guys will get squeezed out by an even cheaper Asian country where people are happy to make $XXX/month.

If you want to make a US salary in EE, you need to work for US companies. The only way to do this is freelancing something. Check sites like Upwork to see what people freelance, set out on your own, and hustle for US/EU clients. You're not going to get a US salary in EE.

I played some 5nl years ago on Bovada and talked to the players. One person said he was from China, so what you are saying is already true. The average wage for a Chinese person is something like $6/day so if they can make more grinding 5nl they will. Even microstakes is filled with solid regs.

You know Willy Loman ?

Those reps you know are likely being replaced by online ordering systems, if not now, within 3 years or so.

What rubbish. I ran it up through the micros at > 8bb/100, and I know loads of others who have done the same in the past year or two. If you cant win at micros then you're just terrible, sorry.

Good job for completely missing the point of his post.

I don't know what you're trying to prove with this? All industries change over time, it's up to people to adjust. The same can be said about NLHE, except it's reached a point where it's simply a bad idea pursue it over something else. Real world example: do you think being a coal miner is a good idea in 2018?

People run hot over big samples all the time. In fact there's someone who's run 10bb+/100 at zone by flopping sets in basically every single 3bet pot. Does it prove anything? Not at all. In fact it's probably worse that that person is running so well because it means he'll stay in longer due a distorted pov.

I mean it's great that people have fun playing poker and that feeling of crushing is awesome. But here's the thing, if you crush in a real career/ get lucky, that luck has a lasting impact on your entire career/ life. Even if it does go sideways the power of a resume is understated.

What happens when you run hot at poker and then it finally wears off/ you can't beat the games? Broke, nothing to fall back on and your resume has years of blank pages. So tell me why a young smart person would choose poker>real career?

Then what was the point of his point, that micros are unbeatable? Because anyone who knows anything about poker thinks that is laughable. Micros are still filled with whales and terrible regs. If you have a large observed win rate you don't need an absolutely enormous sample to know your crushing. 150K hands has a 95% interval of between 2.84 BB/100 and 13.16 BB/100 with a 8bb/100 winrate. I had a whole group on discord with winrates like that at micros over similar samples.

Ran it up to where? midstakes? What sites? Almost any stake is beatable for a while if you run good enough, but beating them consistently enough to move up to 100nl+ with a proper bankroll is very very very tough these days, with lack of rb, and bots.