Lack of boredom is why they grow up idiots. Never learn to take initiative, only to react passively. Easy available masturbatory stimulation doesn't make for risk taking behavior. Boredom does.

This post nails it.

Has anyone mentioned that 18-21 year olds are pretty much worthless these days? Not their fault. Society constructed their soft lives and pretty much insured their doom.

Where can I get this doom insurance and how much does it cost?

OP here.

What do you mean by this? Were 18-21 year olds in the past also worthless?

wat

lmao what a dumb post

I think you are right for western countries, but I think outside that they are very driven and smarter than ever. But the gap is there.

Very interesting to think more on - thanks for sharing Ray

I think this is more players than one might think with all the action on the apps.

I used to think a bunch of the things ITT until I started my deep dive into what's happening out there.

There are many great players out there who have no opportunity to get exposure, don't know how to get exposure, don't want exposure and so on.

Great, this thread developed into the online poker version of “OK, boomer”.

Making 6 figs in poker isn’t that hard and a lot of players (especially live) are in that range. The thing is making 6 figs and consistently increasing earnings over time is also not hard with a standard career/college education. Making 6 figs doesn’t mean what it used to and having to grind 40hrs/week to make 100k is a pretty shitty situation, especially given there’s no safety net or guarantee that you’ll continue making that money year after year.

Bottom line is it becomes increasingly hard to make money in poker over time while other careers will open up opportunities and deal with industries that are experiencing massive growth. A career in poker for 18-21 year olds is like pigeonholing themselves into a suboptimal path.

^ I disagree with everything you have said in your above post.

Making $100K in poker consistently year in, year out is a great accomplishment that very few poker players are doing on a regular basis.

If someone is doing that either live or online you can be sure that they have spent many years crafting their tool, or have done a ton of work with solvers and training programmes to move up the ranks quickly online. To say that making "100k" isn't that hard is not an accurate statement whatsoever.

Agree with Colin Piddle here. There are a lot of people with college degrees/ advanced degrees that don't make 100k a year lol. Making 100k a year playing poker is pretty damn impressive if you ask me.

Also not sure I agree with chicagojoey. Compare the # of people making 100k playing poker today vs when we had tilt/stars around and the online options were amazing. Poker is in a lull right now and will be for a while until we have another boom / the US can offer poker to everyone and create some sort of huge ecosystem of players were 50 states can play against the ROW.

Grinding 1 table of live cash for a full year to make a living sounds like a snooze fest if you ask me.

Would love to see a podcast with Ray Zee!

Sounds like you’re just not very good Lol if you think you need years of solver work to beat live games for 100k/year. Ofc it’s not guaranteed and your ability to beat games will decrease over time. Maybe I’m just biased because the people I know are high achievers. But the context of this thread is gifted 18-21 year olds, not your run of the mill poker room donks.

I don't think there is enough NL action on the apps to produce a lot of 100k winners. Maybe on PLO and PLO5/6. Many days its a struggle to get four 6max nl midstakes tables going and usually there are only one or two 5/10 or 10/20 games running. Having access to GG would definitely help but you also have to worry about the general shadiness of that site. If you win too much on the apps you get kicked out or if your club wins too much they get restricted or the higher stakes get restricted.

It wouldn't be a struggle to get 10 1k+ NL tables on the apps if you wanted

i haven't read this entire thread but it seems like this has been brought up in one iteration or another.

If you are talented enough to make it in poker.. you're talented enough to make it in much more profitable endeavors.

I'll give you an example. My buddy is a college swim coach. When he was in college, it was the peak of the poker boom and it wasn't uncommon for us to have 4-5 tables going at the swim house.

Those days are long gone. The swimmers on his team that are of the "Enterprising" mindset are all into crypto and "Wall Street Bets"

Which makes sense. If you are successful at poker, you're could probably be pretty good at trading. Less of a stigma with mom and dad too.

Agree with you about 100k/year ev consistently is a great accomplishment and not easy to do.

But I disagree that you need to work with solvers and/or training programs to have success online. Up to at least 500nl is beatable with no solver work

Which apps are you on? Pokerbros usually doesn't have anything close to that. Right now on Diamond there is one 2/4 table and four 3/6's. My clubs are locked out of anything above that right now so I can't see 5/10 and 10/20.

PPPoker and Pokerrr2 are two commonly used apps. You need to know people and get invited into the games but it’s not uncommon for large NL and PLO games to run on these apps.

All of the action moved to Pokerbros many months ago.

Everyone is good at stocks right now, its just the new poker honestly. Good quote I read " when my shoe shiner started to tell me about investing, I knew it was time to get out."

It's like real estate, good agents made money in 08, before that anyone could make money.

Clearly not true because I’m currently in a PPPoker club that regularly runs a T20 NL game. Guess it really just depends on who you know.

most counties making 100k is very hard. I am from Sweden and less than 1% make more than 100k a year.
If you would look at 100k a year after tax this number would be even lower.

where poker winnings often is no tax on.
You have the ability to arbitrage in living in low cost countries like eastern Europe and still have the same income.

Even at 100k a year poker is by far the best option for most people.

Also, there is nothing that stops a poker player to have other interests on the side or work from a co-working space so its not like you cant network and have connections outside of poker.