What's your solution? Do nothing?

America used to be Christian, but they are so far removed from that you can now bet your house on the spinn of an online wheel.

You have the most popular people/streamers promoting the most degenerate forms of gambling but we apparently can't have online cards legal.

So who is gonna do something then? Stars? WSOP? There should be a coordinated effort, but there is none.

Look at how defeated people are in this thread.

Used to make sense when ANY gambling was seen as bad or when America actually believed in God, now the WORST forms of gambling are actually championed but we cant have poker.

Like making nukes legal but handguns illegal.

If anything, a strong lobby with the backing of at least those two entities. But at least you're acknowledging that it will take a "coordinated effort," rather than a top player or retired player turned YouTube content creator making a few phone calls.

As for "defeated," has anyone in this thread said or implied that it will never happen? It's a slow process, one that takes several massive forces. We simply refuted your notions that a) one person single-handledly kept online poker in check, and that b) Phil Ivey and – wait for laughter – Doug Polk have enough "money, contacts and influence" to make something happen.

Hell, if I wanted to be really nitpicky, I'd just say poker IS legal in the U.S.

yeah, the only thing we really need is legal tv advertising and ability to deposit with cc/ debit card.

Looking at CA tribal nations have done well to gain significant control over gaming in the past 30 years, now that race tracks have shrunk to insignificance and card clubs never had much power anyways.

I am speculating but if online sports wagering wins in November, you might see that expanded to online casinos and poker within the next few years. If it fails then any chance of online poker would be nil. And even if online passes the big tribes will need to sign off on poker. Since they would likely be getting a cut it might work out.

Longshot chance would be to somehow tie online poker to Lotto but I have no idea how that could work.

If there was a simple solution, it would've happened already. But as an outside observer, I'd say at this point the best bet is to try and get more states legalized and hopefully joining other states in a large player pool. I don't know if they'll ever get it legalized nationwide, and even if they did, I assume states could still opt out/regulate/make it illegal, so the end result would be similar.

If you understand how it was put in the UIGEA and the Supreme Court upheld and made serious crimes against online poker. The chances of getting this changed are so low.

"bring back ?"

Any adult in the United States who wants to play poker online probably can do so, without violating any laws.

There are very few, if any, places that have laws that prohibit mere players from playing poker online, for real money.

Some States even specifically license and regulate online poker businesses, in case you are wondering.

Even in Washington State, where playing online poker is a class C felony - there hasn't been any recorded prosecutions for doing so.

Why do I even occasionally visit this garbage ass site any more? XD

Someone get Phil Laak on the line, we need his help.

Hot take, Doug Polk, Phil Ivey, and Santa Clause can take a load off, it's only a matter of time until online poker is back, no need to march in the streets

Because poker is f***** and most people know it. Back in the day there was some kind of entertainment value to it, but now it's just all nerds and punters.
Watch Joey Ingrams last interview, pretty much sums it up. The industry's hurting so bad they let the biggest scammers and cheats on the televised programs. If poker isn't dead yet, it should be, and will be soon if not already.

So why don't tthey help to coordinate i

That sort of defeatist attitude isn't going to get anything done, who has REALLY tried?

Right so i can gamble away my house on an online wheel or bet it all on the length of the anthem at a sports game, but can't play cards, how does that work?

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It doesn't, life's not fair. Get a helmet!

No, it's realistic, and it actually offers a path forward. But if you'd like to keep tilting at windmills, letting the perfect be the enemy of the good, have fun I guess.

I like when people complain about others not doing something, yet they want to sit on their ass and do nothing. Sums out Americans pretty well

absolutely, not productive or conducive but it is what it is this is what we are stuck with

What's the path forward? Wait another 15 years for another 4 states to legalize it within the state?

You guys are just defeatist and lazy.

Again, you can WAGER YOUR HOUSE on the LENGTH OF THE ANTHEM, but you can'tplay cards online #MakesSense. Just the American things lmao

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its hilarious because 20 years gambling was seen as degenerate now EVERYONE promotes it everywhere all the time, but you still can't play poker online lmao

Why don't you reach out to state representatives and try to work on moving the process forward if you care so much? You call others lazy yet you're saying others should be acting while you sit on your ass typing on the computer. Get off the computer and get to work if you want something.

#Justice4Degens

posting for teh lulz

Phil Ivey would be a terrible person to convince Congress to legalize poker. He is a great poker player, but he is a cheater. He has had huge cases go to the UK Supreme Court over cheating. The online poker community needs people with regulatory experience completely independent of gaming. Many people still view online poker as unsafe, and for good reason. Online casinos and professionals have done a poor job upholding fairness and safety of the game over the years. As DFS legalization and even the ability to wager on video game matches has exploded, it only makes the online poker community look even more pathetic.

One major reason online poker is not legal yet is poker tracking and third party software. Should absolutely not be allowed, and is considered cheating by many non poker players regardless of what the casinos or poker players may think or define it as. If I download Pokerstars and get on Pokerstars, someone should not be getting more information about me as I get on them. To solve this, online casinos should ban poker tracking OR have their own poker tracking installed universally to their game. Again, it does not feel safe and equal.

Previous cheating scandals have not been addressed adequately or handled appropriately from online and live games. This gives the idea that someone in their basement can see everyones hole cards as well as the turn/River cards. Compare that to the large DFS scandal where there was compliance and sweeping changes. Again, does not feel safe and equal. I’m honestly disappointed in the WSOP and WPT. If I were them, any player in a poker cheating scandal would be banned 10 years for first time offense, and for life after that. Any cheating scandal, to include online play, cash games, other casinos, anything. Not enough Professionals have spoken out either.

The best thing online poker has going for it is the explosion of sports betting. As the sports betting market becomes saturated, these companies will look to new forms of revenue. Online poker is probably the next best thing. Specifically, companies like FanDuel, MGM, and DraftKings. Of those, Fan Duel is by far the most interesting.

Fan Duel is owned by Flutter and was purchased in 2018. What has happened since 2018? Sports betting has exploded in the US, and Flutter was a big reason for it. Their experience with online sports wagering in the UK was helpful. Between their experience with online wagering with MGM/Caesars US wagering online sports betting has been fairly easy to legalize.

As fate would have it, the same company (Flutter) that owns Fan Duel also owns Poker Stars. As the sports betting market saturates and matures, online gaming will be the next frontier. You could argue it may even be easier as many of the same companies that worked with politicians to legalize sports betting have already built relationships and teams that will be able to legalize online gaming.

I expect this focus to ramp up and legalized online gaming to being in the next 3-5 years, and have a somewhat fully legalized online poker country in the next 10 years.

In short, the poker community has done as bad of a job as possible in promoting the safety, integrity, and fairness of the game. Fortunately, a few billion dollar corporations will fix this and legalize online poker for you degenerates because there is a lot of money to be made in online gaming.

The judge specifically said he wasn't cheating. Not that I think Phil, or any specific individual, can do much about getting online poker legalized across the U.S. But, I just wanted to make that clear to people. No court case ever said he cheated. And, IMO, he did not cheat, and should have won all of his lawsuits about edge sorting.

Later, Greg Raymer (FossilMan)

This,the vids i've made on the subject, posting on reddit are what i'll do. Personally idgaf i live in EE, i just want to make more money, it's not my prob that America has insane laws.

Bro no 1 is cheating you in $20mtt or $100nl, if theydo they'll get caught.