it's literally only illegal due to Adelson.

How hard can it be?

Extra revenue for the state
Not even remotely close to as degenerate as betting your house on a sports game like is NOW LEGAL

What else do two champs and legends like Doug or Phil even have to do?

What do you think they can do that the lawyers and lobbyists for PokerStars and WSOP aren’t already doing?

They have money, contacts and influence.

i don't think stars or WSOP are doing anything amazing at all, probably next to nothing

You are very naive and don’t understand how any of this works.

Setting aside whether it's really illegal, online poker's status is not literally or figuratively due to Adelson.

Pretty hard, apparently.

Nothing, because there's nothing they can do.

This.

First you need a white petition , a huge one.

Remember when you were a little kid, you thought anyone over the age of 40 was old? They weren't, but they were really old compared to you at the time, so they just seemed old. Not only that, but there was a negligible difference between a 50-year-old and a 70-year-old. They're just old.

The OP clearly has the same perspective on other people's money, contacts and influence as a toddler has on other people's years.

For sure! Like PokerStars isn’t exhausting all options to get back into the full US market.
Black Friday is equal to PokerStars as the end of prohibition to organized crime in the 30’s, huge revenue.


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Damn OP, that's a great idea. Someone please DM this thread to Ivey.

No.

Doesn't over-estimate the work PokerStars and WSOP are doing in this space.

Even if this was possible , neither Doug or Ivey have any interest in online poker,
Doug even owns a cardroom which would probably get less traffic if online was available so he would actually suffer as a result of legalisation.

And if the poker community was to select a representative to do lobbying on its behalf, Ivey would not be a good choise either. He has a history of multimillion dollar legal disputes with casinos in the UK as well as Las Vegas. And for that reason he might still be a hero to most poker players, but lawmakers would be more likely to see him as a convicted criminal.

Didn’t Doug recently fail/quit on trying to get like some county clerk out of office?
I’m not sure he’s your man

And what pull would Ivey have persuading the non-poker people in power that federally legal online poker was a good idea?

What is needed is some serious $ for the govt to get interested. Online poker is a fraction of a fraction of that.

why does the petition have to be white?

Ivey is the last person you should pick. if you pick Ivey they autoban it for the next millennium. I like Ivey a lot, but I know how they perceive him. as a degenerate gambler.

and besides they make it tougher for all players around the world. the wild west times are over, except for crypto which they regulate now too. they figured it does more harm than good. and it's not like Amazon, money flowing to some off shore account, where you can get shopping addicted but the state still gets a cut. its gambling for the masses, where 90% suffer damages and the state sees no taxes. they want to get you to the casinos if you want to gamble.
if you get it back it will come with major restrictions as in Europe.

how is that? the money flows out of the US ecosystem to Malta, Gibraltar or some wherever the operators are located. in the Bahamas or Caribbean, they want to contain the money to the country plus keep the people safe. that's their argument.

feel free to delete this mods. I understand this is not in the best interest of the industry, but it's the truth.

Tried to recall the mayor, but the way las vegas election code is written signatures have to be given in person.

The average voting age in Las Vegas is about 80 years old and it was pre-vaccine and during the first/most deadly strain. Couldn't really justify putting older people at risk like that so we had to call it off.

Anyway good point OP let me get on this immediately.

lol

Doug in the house! what an honour!
do something good with your life Doug! make ACR better or something. big fan of yours! you're one of my teachers who improved my game and I like all my teachers or I wouldn't have picked them. long time upswing member here. I might have a good idea for you and might send you a message soon. bazaaam! gl with everything!

Doug, could you bang some drums for Masons friend here? maybe talk to some people about it, maybe Joey?



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You are second to OP in terms of not understanding how things work. However, there is an exercise you might try to get better clariity.

You might google the WSOP ME participation rates annually from 2000 to 20010 for evidence weighing against your belief re the effect of online poker on brick and morter poker.

..... because OP believes White Petitions matter more ?

That is not how lobbying works. A lot of very niche interests have serious influence because of their political focus and "serious money" spent on lobbying.

Exactly this.

The Poker Players Alliance made an attempt back in 2006 but it wasn't able to do it. You also get pushback from antigambling groups, churches, etc.. who feel its immoral or addictive.
A bit ironic as churches used to host bingo.