are you prahlad friedman?

LOL you bet KK on A high flop= easy money?
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[ ] OP has a positive live win rate

Obv not because prahlad knows online WAS rogged... for him anyway. I heard they might've stolen 7 figs from him but who knows. ... If I was spiritrock tho, I'd NEVER try to rap. Ugliest thing I've ever heard aside from Jeff Madsen's attempts. lol

Um Online and Live is like night and day. So why argue??

Just curious if online is drying up so quickly as everyone says so, why am I not seeing a flood of online guys into the liveaction, cause I play a lot of places and I am not seeing this. And the online scene is dead right now, all the good players just switching money with each other till the rake eats it up.

Online most players seem to understand the game and to have worked at poker. Live there are usually several players who don't have the understanding necessary to be winning players.

There are probably many reasons for this, among them;
- live players then to include more people with gambling issues.
- online players tend to have invested more time in studying the game.
- live there are more older players, who either have played the same style for years, or who consider the casino a recreational place.
- a consistent losing player can just bring more money to the casino the next day. online it is difficult to put significant money into their account daily.
- maybe it has something to do with the player pool.

additional thoughts?

Your original question should be clarified. The fact is that when you compare live vs. online at equal stakes, the online game is much much tougher and populated with much better players.

There are lots of reasons for this which have been discussed and listed many times in these forums and in books by top poker authors like Harrington or Miller. You can find the reasons with some simple searching so I won't list them here, but I'll give you one big one (among others). A player who wins live at say, 2/4 NLHE, can make a higher income online playing .25/.50, with a smaller bankroll and less risk, by playing 2-3 tables at 3 times the hand rate. So the player who is good enough to beat 2/4 live is NOT playing that stake level online. He is playing much lower stakes.

As a general rule of thumb, play at about 1/10th of your winning live stake to beat online. And you'll still have to adjust some to the game differences to win.

Players who play live(this is the case in my local casino in uk) dont study the game as seriously as players online.

The speed of the game online and the abundance of short handed games means that technical mistakes are magnified and exploited by opponents quicker and the weaker players go broke quicker or are forced to adapt and get better,hence tougher games.

Live alot of the players play also for social reasons, and the regulars are able to make money off drunk/inexperienced players who just want to gamble,and want a full poker playing experience which online obv wont give.

Also the games start at £1/£2 live(in my local casino) so the weaker players are forced to play bigger stakes just to be able to play in a live setting.

so many joke responses to the OP's very legitimate and interesting question.
finally, time for a serious response -

the casinos put chemicals in the air that make people play bad. they do this because the natural edge between the good players and bad players is so great that if it were left unaffected, the games would quickly dry up and the casinos would lose business. so those live players who you think are bad are actually winning players, and when they go home to play online, and are able to breathe clean air, that's where they win.

when OP says ive im assuming 1/2

1 thing ive noticed live aswell, nearlly everytime I play live, some guy wins a bunch of money at blackjack/roullete thinks he'll give poker a shot. When people are on a heater at roullete, they think there invicible and wanna boost there ego by winning at poker. They sit down, get stacked and leave.

Same thing happens when some1 luckboxes the daily tourny and brings all their winnings too cash and loose it all cuz their ****.

1 last thing, dunno how it is where all you play, but at my local casino every1 buys in for 40 - 60 BB!! lose it on some stupid hand then reload to 40BB

live poker obviously easier mainly because live poker hasn't evolved as much as online poker. this is because online you see hands faster, have larger sample sizes from which to draw conclusions, more programs for calculating pertinent info, more strategy discussions, etc. in live poker the game is still stuck in wait for the nuts mode and is evolving far slower.

Live doesn't doesn't let you use stat overlays either.

I'm a consistent winning player at $1/$2 nl and a losing player at 10 cent 25 cent nl online. I have thought long and hard about why I am profitable in 1/2 nl live and a breakevenish / losing player at a much smaller stake (.1/.25) online and came to the following conclusion:



I hope this helps op.

would hope its already been said, but there are more casual players live.

ITT:

[x] we all win live.
[x] we all lose online.
[x] we all still play online.

why do we do this to ourselves?

Bots are easily spotted live, making it easier to avoid tables full of them

In my case, I think playing online helps you play live because it helps you understand the game better.

Online players watch porn while they play. Masturbation improves your game. Live players generally do not masturbate at the tables. Any other questions?

LOL! "Drat!"

OP, thanks for posting this. Good to know I am not the only one. I'm a winning live player (~+6k) and an online fish (~-3k). I have been contemplating this question for a long time and here are the things I have realized so far:

a) Playing the same stakes:
I used to play 1/2 NL live and therefore I played 1/2 NL online ... BIG mistake. I got OWNED badly time after time. As so many others have pointed out, online play @ 1/2 NL is way more stronger. I have now started playing 0.05/0.1 online and while I still get owned, I don't get owned as often

b) Distractions:
In live poker, you are not that distracted even if you are not in the hand since there are real people you can talk to and look at. When people are thinking, there is still something going on for you to look at. With online poker, at least for me, I found that I grew impatient when I was not in a hand because it was quiet and all I was doing was staring at my computer screen and watching a timer run down. I would try and bluff often and in spots I never really would because I was bored. Really, I found online poker incredibly boring at one point in time. I have now started playing 6-tables at once. My impatience has vanished. I am now usually always in a hand and can fold garbage pre-flop much easier. Besides, its new, challenging and invigorating. If you have never tried this before, believe me, @10 NL its very easy and keeps your mind occupied.

c) Table image:
In live poker, people 'read' off your real life personality. I'm a cheerful, bespectacled, studious looking guy with a soft voice. People invariably read this as reliable and trustworthy. I am allowed to bluff often without anyone at the table suspecting a thing! Try that online

d) Table Flux:
In live poker, you will see new people joining your table *may be* once an hour. The tempo of the game does not change that fast. You see way more people entering and exiting your table in online poker. The tempo changes a lot more. I have re-evaluated some of my live strategies to adjust to this fact. E.g: Don't play (say) super-loose in the beginning just so that people will call your monsters down with nothing later on. I found that playing tight through and through online works

e) Tracking software:
Yep, people use software that tracks you to aid their decisions. Of course, in live poker, many players don't keep score. If your opponent has no idea of how many hands you played and in what fashion, chances are they will not take the right decision.

There are some other factors like casinos having richer recreational players, the strength of online players depending on the time of the day you play, etc. but I don't yet know enough to comment on those.

I hope more people who have successfully made this transition will reply to your question. Good luck!

Live pretty much means casino which pretty much means that there's a lot of casual players who aren't that good

Most hands you play online will be on tables with better players

Also, some bad (and even some good) live players do sometimes project tells which helps with your decision making.

Im pretty sure its because people who cant figure out how to use their computer go to live games to play poker. This creates a higher population of ******s in live games.

If you cant beat a ****** live your not going to beat a ******ed European online either.

I'm just sayin.

FYP. Btw, I think I could make money with KK on the button online as well as live.