I was watching Joey Ingrams videos about Phil Helmuth, Tom Dwan and OTB being texas holdem poker gods (lol), and it made me wonder what the actual list of top 10 NL players in the world would look like. Obviously its impossible to know for sure, but i think it makes for interesting debate.
If i had to take a guess mine would be something like (in no order, any format):
Fedor Holz
Dan Colman
OTB Redbaron
Fish2013
Jungleman
Trueteller
Bryn Kenny
Isildur
Christoph Vogelsang
Ben86 (couldnt pick a 10th out of him, Dan Smith, Olivier, Bonomo, Sauce,
Seiver etc.)
I might be missing some online guys, only really know much about the top few
What do people make of the exclusion of Phil Ivey? I think its hard to really know how he compares against these guys today. Also do people think more live players like Esfandiari/Negreanu deserve a place?
I think we have no idea how good Ivey is these days. And I think there is as much of a reason to include players like Antonio or Dnegs as there is there is to make this thread.
Honestly among the top level players I don't think you can really say X is better than Y. There is too much variance in the game, and I imagine the edges among the elite tournament pros are so small that any one those named players could win a tournament featuring all of them on any given day.
Also your list is a mixed of online and live players, and from what I have seen they play very differently in a lot of cases.
yeah it might be more interesting to measure best players by giving them a rating /100. Say 50 is a decent 1/2 grinder, 75 is a winning midstakes online player, and 85 is a good high stakes online/live player, all the guys in my top 10 would have a rating of at least 98
But there is still edge amongst top players. I imagine other top tier guys like Jonathan Duhamel would be rated about 87-88, and someone like Doug Polk around 91-92. If these numbers are close to reality that difference of about 8-9 points between them and the very best is pretty big
Nobody is the best. Everybody is solid. All the top players are so immensely skillful that it comes down to luck. Whoever is the biggest luck-box, that's who is the best.
Define 'best'. Someone who doesn't have the strongest technical skills but can get into super juicy games because of charisma and wins loads vs someone who has great technical skills but ends up only in really tough games and wins but not at the same rate as the first guy. Who's better?
David Benyamine
Toby Maquire
George Costanza
That Brazilian soccer player with one name
Moneymaker
Matt Damon in Rounders
Guy Laliberte
Clonie Gowen
Justin Schwartz
Me