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Old 08-09-2009, 01:27 AM   #1
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Who Has Outlasted the Most People in the ME?

Kind of a different stat, I was wondering who has outlasted the most people in the main event at the wsop.

For example Phil Ivey has outlasted +6k people this year, add those to however many he outlasted in the past to get this number.

Maybe helmuth?
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Old 08-09-2009, 01:29 AM   #2
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Old 08-09-2009, 01:29 AM   #3
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Re: Who Has Outlasted the Most People in the ME?

That would be very difficult to figure out, but interesting.
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Old 08-09-2009, 01:32 AM   #4
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That's a good guess

That might be correct
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Old 08-09-2009, 01:33 AM   #5
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or Raymer maybe
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Old 08-09-2009, 01:41 AM   #6
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or Raymer maybe
Not a chance. Every single person who finished in the top 500 of the '06 Main Event outlasted more people than Raymer did in '04 and '05 combined.
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Old 08-09-2009, 01:41 AM   #7
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or Raymer maybe
Crossed my mind but Dan has been playing the ME since the 80s and raymer only since 2000 I believe.

When I have some time tomorrow I might try and come up with a number for dan
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Old 08-09-2009, 01:42 AM   #8
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or Raymer maybe
yeah, raymer more like

definitely not dan. last ft he outlasted 2600 and before that 800 and a few hundred when he won it. raymer 2600 when he won it and thousands the year hachem won it.

In fact it's probably some low key random with two top 100 finishes in the last few years.
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Old 08-09-2009, 01:45 AM   #9
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Re: Who Has Outlasted the Most People in the ME?

dennis philips

he was like 3rd last year and 45th or something this year.

that's a LOT of people.
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Old 08-09-2009, 01:46 AM   #10
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Re: Who Has Outlasted the Most People in the ME?

Ivey's not a bad guess here, right? 10th in 2003, ~20th in 2005, FT this year, if he's not #1 he's on the short list.
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Old 08-09-2009, 01:50 AM   #11
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dennis philips

he was like 3rd last year and 45th or something this year.

that's a LOT of people.
yeah my money on him, then.

iveys 10th is only 800 people, so not him unless he had a nice finish since hachems win.

edit: like 20th in 2005

ok, i think him seeing as he has outlasted a thousand here and a thousand there whereas phillips prob only played twice.

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Old 08-09-2009, 01:51 AM   #12
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Re: Who Has Outlasted the Most People in the ME?

I know he hasnt played in many main events yet but Peter Eastgate is racking up some big numbers in this category considering last year when he won it and the fact that he burned through another 6k+ this year. Will be interesting to see how many more he has in a few years.
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Old 08-09-2009, 01:52 AM   #13
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Jamie Gold?
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Old 08-09-2009, 02:11 AM   #14
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yeah id go with that for now. prolly just for the respect factor of making it to 2 FT in a row. one with 800+ and then another with 2.2+K
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Old 08-09-2009, 02:14 AM   #15
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Re: Who Has Outlasted the Most People in the ME?

It has to be Hellmuth... he's played like every single ME ever and he's had deep runs in quite a few.
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Old 08-09-2009, 02:14 AM   #16
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You people crazy? No way it's Dan when you look at Ivey, Phillips and Eastgate.

He also busted out very early every year since 2004, no day 2 I think.
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Old 08-09-2009, 02:17 AM   #17
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Not a chance. Every single person who finished in the top 500 of the '06 Main Event outlasted more people than Raymer did in '04 and '05 combined.
Raymer outlasted 6000+ people in 2006. From 2004-2006 he outlasted 14,000+ people.

source: http://www.pokerstarsblog.com/2006/w...-g-031857.html

That 14,000 figure is more than the entrants of this year + last years WSOP so you can pretty much rule out Phillips or Eastgate. Also consider that you can probably add at least another 1-2k people to that list for Raymer for the 2007-2009 series.
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Old 08-09-2009, 02:18 AM   #18
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Re: Who Has Outlasted the Most People in the ME?

Im just saying its Dan Harrington for respect value. I think coming into the FT twice in a row is a nice 2-year run and not just finishing in 9th or 8th.

but I am wrong in terms of actual people since prolly jamie gold would hold the title./ or like the above posters have said raymer and hellmuth have made deep runs.

I was just saying as a feat Dan getting to the FT twice in a row was awesome.
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Old 08-09-2009, 02:20 AM   #19
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Re: Who Has Outlasted the Most People in the ME?

Personally I believe it's a person noone has heard of.
Say someone finished 18th this year, 150th 2007 and 200th 2006 with some minor runs here and there.
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Old 08-09-2009, 02:22 AM   #20
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yeah id go with that for now. prolly just for the respect factor of making it to 2 FT in a row. one with 800+ and then another with 2.2+K
Yeah, so there are people that didn't make the money in 2006 that outlasted more people. 2005-2009 are by far the most important years to consider. 2004 is half as important as those years, and anything before then barely matters.

Basically, it's impossible to figure out, because we don't have out of money placements.
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Old 08-09-2009, 02:23 AM   #21
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Personally I believe it's a person noone has heard of.
Say someone finished 18th this year, 150th 2007 and 200th 2006 with some minor runs here and there.
what?
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Old 08-09-2009, 02:24 AM   #22
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I think it's very possible someone has done something like that, just a numbers example.
The person doesn't have to be well known, because there is nearly no difference between making the final table and finishing 100th.
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Old 08-09-2009, 02:24 AM   #23
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Re: Who Has Outlasted the Most People in the ME?

Allen Cunningham was 4th in 2006, 8,773-player field, for a total of 8,769 and 117th in 2008 out of a field of 6,844, thus outlasting 6,727, and 586 in 2001, making a 3 year total of 16,199

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Old 08-09-2009, 02:26 AM   #24
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Re: Who Has Outlasted the Most People in the ME?

Took me about 5 minutes to calculate this.

Raymer: 8169
Harrington: 10212
Ivey: 13521
Phillips: 13290

So it seems to be Ivey so far by a small margin (based on his 23rd place in 2002, 10th place in 2003, 20th place in 2005, and 2009 final table)

Edit: Or Cunningham, haha. Ivey's pretty much the best bet in terms of probable lifetime outlastments though.
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Old 08-09-2009, 02:28 AM   #25
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Personally I believe it's a person noone has heard of.
Say someone finished 18th this year, 150th 2007 and 200th 2006 with some minor runs here and there.
The problem is that for this stat, performance in the ME doesn't matter nearly as much as people are thinking ITT. Coming in 150th is basically irrelevant, it's a big w/e.

Think about it... if hero 1 played just 1 ME, and placed 150th out of 6,150, then he outlasted 6,000 people total.

If hero 2 played in 2 MEs with the same 6,150 field, and placed a weak 3,150 in each of them, then he has also outlasted 6,000 people total despite his poor showings.

Now take hero 3 who played in 3 MEs, same 6,150 field, and placed a terrible 4,000 in all 3; well he actually outlasted 6,450 people total and has the best stat among these 3 players despite having the weakest results (and possibly being the weakest player).

This stat is going to be primarily affected by # of MEs played... performance is a secondary variable, although it will indeed be the key differentiator among those at the top of the list (Dan wins for sure, BTW... er maybe not... huge field modern MEs FTW).
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