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View Poll Results: WSOP ME SHOULD BE...
Live w/ holecards - Isolate players - Isolate Crowd
63 24.14%
Live w/ holecards - Iso players - Strictly monitor interaction between players and their supporters
21 8.05%
Live without holecards + edited show later
132 50.57%
Other
3 1.15%
BASTARD
23 8.81%
Last years coverage was great, carry on
19 7.28%

07-30-2009 , 06:23 AM
Hi there.. I know this has been discussed before and likely also recently in the multiple wsop threads across the forums this year, but I really think this should have its own thread.

I' ve given this a lot of consideration and I think that showing everything live is by far the best option not only for the spectators, but also Espn or other companies buying the rights in the future. This is not just an american event anymore. There have been and will be more and more interest in watching this event around the world. Imagine the ratings if this was shown live on Espn AND streamed live online at the same time!?

The main problem with live coverage is obviously how to show the holecards without that info getting back to the players. Personally I would also prefer live-without-holecards + an edited show with the holecards to air later, to the way it was done last year. I have listed some options is this poll:
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07-30-2009 , 06:35 AM
Btw havent seen any information on what kind of live coverage we can expect this year, anyone?

Also, to add to first two poll options. There should obviously be some kind of short delay at all times, maybe not showing hands before they are played out completely?
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07-30-2009 , 06:53 AM
Live with holecards is ******ed in view of the money at stake, even with isolation there might be subtle means to get an advantage, also who wants to play the ME FT in a closed room with no spectators?

I would prefer a stream that is delayed by approx. 10 minutes, w/out holecards. Always fun to play the guessing game and then watch the edited show with holecards later.
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07-30-2009 , 07:16 AM
Well i m living in Germany so i m for any kind of better coverage than ESPN provides through pokertube..
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07-30-2009 , 07:20 AM
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Originally Posted by Furbykiller
Well i m living in Germany so i m for any kind of better coverage than ESPN provides through pokertube..
+1
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07-30-2009 , 07:20 AM
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Live w/ holecards - Isolate players - Isolate Crowd
There not going to strip search the crowd for mobile phones and communication devices so they would never have it live with a crowd and the hole cards showing. They defiantly should have some coverage preferably live action.
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07-30-2009 , 07:26 AM
Do you understand the final table can take between 8 and 20 hours?

No way would this ever happen, they used to have no holecard-cam pay-per-view of the whole final table so hardcore fans could enjoy. With the ESPN shows just 48 hours after the FT takes place it would be useless to have additional coverage.
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07-30-2009 , 07:26 AM
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Originally Posted by Noir_Desir
Live with holecards is ******ed in view of the money at stake,
This is inside a casino. Im sure if there's a will there's a way to do in a safe maner.


even with isolation there might be subtle means to get an advantage,
Like?

also who wants to play the ME FT in a closed room with no spectators?
History has shown the people will sign most anything to play in the ME, why not this?

I would prefer a stream that is delayed by approx. 10 minutes, w/out holecards. Always fun to play the guessing game and then watch the edited show with holecards later.
What's the need for delay without holecards? This has been done many times on the EPT etc
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07-30-2009 , 07:31 AM
For that kind of money, it's always going to seem worth it to try and cheat with some sophisticated team some how. They might not get away with a mic or buzzer on their knee, but maybe a crooked employee or something signalling a player. Also not only might they get away with it, but the scandal if they don't could be more expensive than the money lost if they do.

The fear that you could be cheated might also play with your mind and make you f up the final table. Big numbers can do that to you and it's not really part of the game so is unfair.

No to live undertable cams.

All the smart players just wouldn't show the cards and would tell the floor staff to go **** themselves. Would they have to dish out penalties for that or what? What's the plan?
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07-30-2009 , 07:48 AM
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Originally Posted by livesinabarn
Do you understand the final table can take between 8 and 20 hours?
Yes, I do. How about ESPN for the tv part of the coverage just schedule short timeslots throughout the day/night to pop in on the action, show big hands etc, during their normal schedule

No way would this ever happen, they used to have no holecard-cam pay-per-view of the whole final table so hardcore fans could enjoy.
Not last year though, but this would be fine with me if the price was fair

With the ESPN shows just 48 hours after the FT takes place it would be useless to have additional coverage.
So you thought 2 hands of HU was just fine huh? And you post on 2+2 wtf?!
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07-30-2009 , 07:55 AM
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Originally Posted by ups
So you thought 2 hands of HU was just fine huh? And you post on 2+2 wtf?!
The dude lives in a barn. Give him a break.

I think the vast majority of people who have seen the past PPVs without hole cards would tell you that that is the best way to watch the FT. I don't care if it's on TV or live stream, I loved it.
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07-30-2009 , 08:05 AM
reminder: Peter Eastgate won last year's WSOP at 2:30am Vegas time. that's 5:30am on the east coast. this is such a bad idea
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07-30-2009 , 08:16 AM
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Originally Posted by ecstzatic
reminder: Peter Eastgate won last year's WSOP at 2:30am Vegas time. that's 5:30am on the east coast. this is such a bad idea
Only because it's on a Monday. Monday is ******ed. Nov 9 is so gimmicky. Anyway, who seriously gives a **** after the event? We all know who won before it's on tv. Television of a completed event on a Wednesday. lol. No one's gonna watch that.
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07-30-2009 , 08:17 AM
Live period would be nice.

Last edited by Pain4u; 07-30-2009 at 08:27 AM.
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07-30-2009 , 08:42 AM
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Originally Posted by ecstzatic
reminder: Peter Eastgate won last year's WSOP at 2:30am Vegas time. that's 5:30am on the east coast. this is such a bad idea
I watched Jamie Gold win at 6-7 am EST or whatever it was and it's still one of the best poker broadcasts I've ever seen. Who cares what time it ends, anyway. Do you have a job or something?

The regular WSOP broadcasts are garbage. I had the 40k on the other night and paid attention to ten minutes of it at most. I couldn't even sit through the entire 2008 final table. It's about as interesting as watching paint dry. I want every second broadcast live with various guests sitting in and giving reads and analysis in real time with no hole cards. Nothing else even comes close.

Last edited by heater; 07-30-2009 at 08:51 AM.
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07-30-2009 , 08:47 AM
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Live with holecards is ******ed in view of the money at stake,
This is inside a casino. Im sure if there's a will there's a way to do in a safe maner.
shadier things have happened inside casinos

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even with isolation there might be subtle means to get an advantage,
Like?
like for example the announcer, who has a link to the outside world, could give subtle winks to a player etc. Also remember that just the threat of someone having access could be devastating to a player's psyche.

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also who wants to play the ME FT in a closed room with no spectators?
History has shown the people will sign most anything to play in the ME, why not this?
TV producers love audience and atmosphere.

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I would prefer a stream that is delayed by approx. 10 minutes, w/out holecards. Always fun to play the guessing game and then watch the edited show with holecards later.
What's the need for delay without holecards? This has been done many times on the EPT etc
Just for additional security purposes, so no one for example can listen to the commentary in some way (far fetched, i admit).
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07-30-2009 , 10:05 AM
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Originally Posted by ecstzatic
reminder: Peter Eastgate won last year's WSOP at 2:30am Vegas time. that's 5:30am on the east coast. this is such a bad idea
That's because they started at around 10pm Vegas time to avoid the results being readily available in the newspapers Tuesday morning.
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07-30-2009 , 10:32 AM
Nobody will watch a live broadcast outside of 2p2. Get over it. Having a live *option* like previous years would be nice though.

You need to remember that the average WSOP veiwer is 53 years old. They're not interested in watching the entire final table. Most people who watch the WSOP don't even fully understand how the tournament works.
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07-30-2009 , 11:34 AM
It could be a nightmare with hole cards. The crowd aspect plays into ESPN's coverage so there not going ot want just the 9 around a table. You would have to not allow interaction between players and the crowd. Like Pro Tennis you can't be coached durning the match.

If you did it you would have to not allow cell phones in the room no ipod touches basically no electronics allowed in the room. Otherwise some could find the online pirated link or be getting it texted to them and pass info by coughing sneezing or some other means. and if you have 150 peole there like dennis phillips did last year, enough people could be in on it that would make it very hard to monitor.


there is 7.5 million more to be won appox. people are capable of a lot of things to try to get there hands on that type of money.
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07-30-2009 , 11:36 AM
I like how EPT Live does it. If you're hardcore you'll watch it online live. Average Joe will wait till Norman Chad adds his ex-wife jokes into the commentary.
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07-30-2009 , 11:39 AM
Live with holecards + audience is illegal in Nevada. Possibly illegal everywhere.
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07-30-2009 , 11:41 AM
live broadcast will never happen with espn
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07-30-2009 , 12:18 PM
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Originally Posted by bhp2301
live broadcast will never happen with espn
It already has.
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07-30-2009 , 12:33 PM
Uh

Live with whole cards + one hour delay. There. Solved.
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07-30-2009 , 12:35 PM
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Originally Posted by FunboxTS
Uh

Live with whole cards + one hour delay. There. Solved.
no, half cards ftw
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