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lol

Is he still around ?

he has a real job now but was in Vegas some this summer. he may live there?

Haven't seen him post anything about playing anymore. Either he stopped/couldn't play that high anymore, or he doesn't post about it anymore. You can guess which way I am leaning.

I do miss reading about the DD/Crazy Mike/HOWMANY epic matches

Hmmm, I forgot about what came out a little over a year ago ITT before I made my most recent post. I suck at remembering stuff.

Go **** your self you know nothing

He was never a bad HU limit holdem player. Certainly good enough to be a winner with reasonable game selection.

He was a fish in any full ring game he played, probably even more so in mixed games, but far from the "craziest, loosest action" anyone who has played any significant number of hands has ever seen.

+1, it's an unfortunate situation and not funny for anyone who doesn't know all the facts to voice strong opinions. DD has every right to be furious.

man, this guy was about the most annoying holier than thou when it came to "ethics" that its pretty ironic that he scammed a ton of ppl.

dean says its million+. that is just insane tho. how the hell did he rack up that much debt and wtf were ppl thinking continuing to loan?

thats not what I have read itt. everyone says he is awful at anything other than heads up limit holdem. well, you can make a lot of money playing hu lhe, esp when the online games were running regularly. nor have I seen anything from anyone asserting that he played a lot of high stakes at games other than hu lhe.

To clarify my number comes from DD says Mike owed 7 figures. I have no "inside info".

Didn't ask for your sympathy I just want you to shut the **** up about something you know nothing about. In the decade I've been gambling I've learned to mind my own ****ing business, which rule number is that?

In other words you know nothing about high stakes gambling, and no one cares to fill you in.

I'm not "lashing out" nor are "people" saying anything. *You* are saying something and I am telling *you* you are a ****ing idiot. It's very simple, there is literally nothing *you* need to know because it's none of your ****ing business.

Again, you clearly don't know anything about how it works because at high stakes nearly every reg loans to nearly every reg, cause sometimes a bigger game breaks out at 1 AM and the goddamn banks aren't open.

And **** your groupies comment, i try to rape DD every time i play him. And i also try to beat him out of money.

1. Can we just officially change his nickname to Annoying Mike? He doesn't seem that crazy to me...

2. LOL at "never" loaning money. That's just not even close to reasonable at these stakes/it's incredibly -EV to have that policy.

You gotta think about your afterlife EV, usury is a sin bro

Usury is not loaning money, its charging unfair interest on loans, which doesn't happen at high stakes. larswheels doesn't understand this because at his stakes you can buyin with with gift cards.

Twist it any way you want, I'm not venting or taking anything out on you except for what you deserve. You don't like being called a ****ing idiot? Then don't respond to something I wrote over a year ago and give me "advice" about something that doesn't concern you and you know absolutely nothing about. Nobody asked for your advice and you brought up my name unprompted and out of the blue. So you're damn right I'm going to respond angrily to some know nothing troll telling me about my business and making assumptions about everything under the sun. **** off

I have deleted the worst of the personal insult posts and have given out a one-day temp-ban.

Further posts of this nature will be deleted and receive more temp-bans.

He was never anything but a monstrous donator in any 3+ handed poker game he ever played. The Vegas mixed game economy revolved around him from the moment he arrived on the scene.


Both DD and I have played with many worse; I probably played with a dozen worse from the comfort of my own bed today. What you're not understanding is also the fact that DD, myself, and many others were friends ("friends") with Mike for many years before he ever played mixed games or any money was loaned. When you get robbed by a guy you've gone to numerous dinners with, double dated with, etc, you feel far more betrayed than if you just get stiffed by a random degenerate that you play with now and then. The live poker world is generally a ****ty place full of ****ty people, and the good guys generally try to surround themselves with other good guys. It hurts when it turns out one of the good guys is really a scumbag.

The first rule of gambling is that you do what's best for the game. Anyone that actually plays live poker for significant stakes understands that it is very often in your own best interest to loan players money. Sometimes loaning a live one money in the game stretches to loaning them money outside the game. It's not a wise decision, and it is a slippery slope.

Neither DD's, my own nor any other player's poker specialties or results vs Mike has any impact on how ****ty it is of the guy to run out on a massive debt.

For the record, the guy owes me $0. I just happened to be on 2p2 and saw a thread about a guy I used to know and people I've never met talking about me, so I thought I'd throw in my 2 cents.

Thanks for a well-written summary of the gambling world, loaning money and getting stiffed when the borrower/mark/fish cannot pay it back.

For the record, I do not know any of you.

What you wrote sounds like a pretty accurate description of "credit play in gambling generally", with one variation, you all feel personally hurt because some guy, around whom the Las Vegas mixed games sharks swam, borrowed money to stay in action. Those loans were a business decision, part of being a gambling operation, one which borrowed a venue and paid for services from the Las Vegas casinos in which the games were run.

Good for you that you did not extend credit to him just because he had been a "good guy", albeit eventually becoming a fish.

As a group, what the better players took from him at the tables was likely a direct, and foreseeable cause for his inability to repay "massive" debts" to his lenders. Those winning ,were the ultimate beneficiaries of the loans made to fund his play.

Apparently the "mixed games economy" you described in Las Vegas was an unsustainable bubble.

The guys who played against him in a licensed, regulated mixed game were smart enough to not lend him money within the games themselves, but benefited from the casino acting as a financial intermediary between them as players and Mike as a player. (In the online world, this is why a poker site, be it FTP, AP/UB, or Dutch Boyd's PokerSpot, is supposed to pay player balances regardless of processors failing to make good on loans/credit extended through them to players.

That some of the same persons who played in this mixed games economy were also lenders to Mike meant they assumed risks outside the context of their own direct game play. Mike's lenders knowingly funded/backed a losing player you say they were building games around as competing players.

(Casinos do the same thing quite often, extending credit, winning the proceeds of the loan, then trying to collect on the debt. It gets interesting when issues of KYC, money laundering, front men, taxes and arise in attempting to collect debts.)

Sorry, but that is their risk as lenders, they got a rude welcome to the gambling business world.

All due respect, this is a public forum, why can't he just say what he thinks?
Is this not the "news, views and gossip" section of an anonymous (for those who want it to be) poker/forum site?

He can. But then he shouldn't whine about how he is responded to.