Showtime to be taken down today

Fusion could replace Showtime within a couple of weeks

Unfold may follow Fusion in the fall

Unfold could allow players to be back into the hand?

https://pokerfuse.com/news/media-and...ker-game-will/

It would be good if we could unfold Amaya's takeover of Pokerstars.

Do people play any of these gamified versions of poker that they offer? I tried them with play money and got bored after a few minutes. I can't imagine doing this with real money.

Reminds me of Shaving! Shaving our rakeback! Gillette and Pokerstars should come out with a new Gillette Fusion PokerProGlide PowerUp Razor

Showtime removed.

This sounds to me like Unfold might skip the line and come next, ahead of Fusion.


I wonder whether Fusion, whatever it is, didn't play test well, or had significant bugs. Or maybe just unfold is play-testing better. Last time we saw a new game come within about ten days of the last coming down, so Unfold could be live as soon late next week.

Rules leaked

- Players will pay 25% ante to build Unfold Pot which will be not part of the main pot.

- Players that previously folded will only be eligible for Unfold Pot and not the main pot.

So it is just gambling and rake suck in.

It seems that the Unfold pot is not raked.

PokerStars Launches Unfold Hold'em in Denmark

so if im not mistaken, it just marginally benefits nits? these new game types seem really stupid and probably take a lot of time to develop so I don't really get it.

my focus would be on developing AI resistant games rather than gimmicky whatever

They could, you know, promote existing forms of poker that haven't been analysed to death, you know, the ones that they already spread

Would be fun if they get a table of well know pros or even celebrities

Then have live betting on say who will win a quick sit a go , or cash game and spread betting on + - profits would let the gamble players have something to bet on without skill

Also free advertising for stars. Surely they would be allowed to do something like that?

Or would they not be able to do something like that? Daniel against ? Heads up

When was the last time had a match that the public wanted to watch? Remember old ftp games were durr and others would have people drooling over the games.

Anything close to that would give poker a boost which is needed as there no fun left in poker any more.

Unfold Hold'em got launched across global player pool today.

Interestingly, it is expected to be a permanent addition

Seems it helps observant players as you get more showdowns after folding.

Not so good for tricky bluffy players.

Unfold holdem sounds like an interesting live game. You'd push your cards forward and Mark with a fold button. Then there would be regular betting/showdown. Maybe if a folded hand beats the winner they'd get 10% of pot. Seems like it would keep people happier.

Are you sure?
I only had a quick look at the 2NL video, and I found it quite confusing, but the unfold pot 4-handed seems to be 4c at the start, and then 3c is taken from each of the the two folded players and the unfold pot only went up to 11c. If 1c is taken out of every 12c unfold pot, that's rake of 8.33%.

4+3+3=10?

Have they got a work experience kid thinking this rubbish up, or what?

What's next? Every 10 seconds you spend on a decision, you have to put an ante sized amount into the pot? (hang on, that might actually work)

Oops. I meant 4c for the second part, so it should be (4*1)+4+4 = 12, shouldn't it?
If you look at the unfold pot at 1:49 in the video, for example, it clearly says the unfold pot is 11c in the middle. Amusingly, one of the players got 6c and the other got 5c when they chopped.

Not sure why they don’t go the obvious route and introduce home game variants like Chicago, follow the queens etc. People want to play what they’re familiar with.

Both seem dumb, will not try....Amaya stop wasting your money on this nonesense and lower rake and add short deck.....

Unfold holdem is quite weird. It looks like if you RFI and everyone folds, the antes go back to each player.
So theres a lot of incentive for playing tighter, btn wants to RFI less and BB defend less. If you RFI and someone calls to see a flop, then everyone else get a chance to fight for the side pot. The players that saw the flop will lose those antes without any way to get them back.
Also it looks like position after folding is extra important, because if nobody wants to fight for the antes, the last player to act can just click to get them. The sizes of the antes are huge compared to the BB.

I think that game will have a very low rake on average, it doesnt seem like stars at all. Maybe theres a catch I cant figure out, why is stars putting that game if it generates way less rake than normal tables?(if people play like they shpuld)

Pretty weird game. I think that the SB opening ranges should be insanely tight, maybe 20% max. Also therrs way less incentive to play with weak Ax, because they are good folding hands to fight for the dead antes. It looks like a decent strat will be to RFI for a bigger sizing( 4-5bbs),

the unfold side game is boring and so small relative to the pots that waiting for people to fold/call is more annoying than anything.

i guess if you want to find edges people are probably going to err on the side of playing too loose pre and overfolding the side game in spots where there're only 2 or 3 people involved but bleh what a waste of 5 minutes.

Everyone chooses at the same time.

This game looks way better for the pros than shortdeck holdem. It looks like its possible to achieve way higher winrates at that game. Not only because of the rake, but also because of the extra EV players can win by 2 players fighting each other more than they should. If 2 loose fish are limping a lot and facing each other, they will be bleeding a lot of antes. Just as an example: if a fish limps and it folds to BB, both will lose 0.3bb . Another example: lets say you face a breakeven preflop decision(RFI 97s from CO and face a 3-bet from the SB). Calling is somewhat a breakeven play unless you have an edge over the guy. If you call, you will be losing 30bb/100 in there, because you will lose your antes, if you fold, at least you will keep them.

This creates an insane dynamic in the games, which also allow people go looser than "unfold GTO", because even though you have less incentive to make loose opens, BB also has a lot of incentive to fold the BB, so you could actually get away with very light steals if BB is avoiding those breakeven situations. Now if BB reacts by overdefending, both players will be in a lose/lose scenario where every other player wins.

gotta admit i like that one. first gimmick i enjoy since basically forever

Very interesting that rake per pot could actually be lower. I half-suspect Stars believes that the loss-rate for recreationals in poker is not sustainable... that they're losing money at too fast a rate to the regs and house.

Could be less about a quick cash grab and more about protecting the recreational player pool?