Or just ban every single stable, it's not that hard. At the very least don't facilitate their player to player transactions and let them play on the same IP.

In the age of crypto, do we really need P2P transfers to be enabled by the site itself? Maybe a small cap of like 20 bucks for micros, but above that do your shady transfers on your own time.

Standardbakery adding a little salt to an already way too salty loaf

you are right, it shouldnt be a requirment, but those two programs will actually prove if hes innocent or not.

lol

ya just those 2 programs

not the unlimited other ways for them to communicate.

Pokerstars says they plan to implement webcam requirements + desktop viewer for all mtts with a prizepool of 20k or higher. Security will watch all final tablists to ensure 1 person per hand.

Amazing.

sauce?

I think it's from ketchup but others are saying it's from mayo

Stars knows everything you are running in the backround at the same time as the tables. This is in TOS. So they more than likely covered this in the investigation. A point was reached where u guys have no proof there was foul play but are 100% certain that either stars is in bed with SB becuase reasons/ SB ghosted the man and there is no way to prove it.

How is getting accused, getting cleared, posting something and congratulating your player an admission of guilt?

it’s not that tough to see through the bs in this one, the guy said ghosting is -ev for the stable — per se! who is supposed to believe that, it’s straight up stupid

Yeah, I can agree that is a bit on the nose and they should have not included that but, still dumb to accuse them without proof.

They are a stable. This is what they do. It's like putting a lion next to a zebra, coming back next day and not blaming the lion when the zebra is dead even though you didn't see it.

I started this thread so I feel like I have some responsibility to reply and clarify some of my points.

My original intention when writing this post was not to call out standard backing or the winner of the sunday milly. I wanted to point out some of the hipocrisy of what creates outrage in the community and what does not. I wanted to make sure that I got the details correct and in my focus on that I missed relaying my original purpose of the thread.

While Tom Dwan's Durr challange, or Alec Torelli's Angle Shooting will Dominate NVG for weeks or months the truth is tha 99.9999% of us will never have the opportunity to participate in the Durr challange and 99.95% of us will never sit in a cash game with Alec. But almost all of us if we play tournament online and will face ghosting by backed or staked players. While it might feel great to call out poker celebrities it doesn't really protect the community from cheating.

Much of the tone of this thread was "get over it! there is no way to stop it so you better just accept it." I really don't agree with this kind of thinking. While I have achieved a certain level of acceptance in regards to this issue it does not mean that we shouldn't be bring to light instances where ghosting may be occurring and ask for stables and backers to have more transparency. While I admit it may be in vain some pressure is better than no pressure. We can also make it aware to people who are going to be taking staking from stable that these same stables may work against them when the are no longer backed. If we continue bring this topic to the forefront we may also put pressure on the sites to do more to punish cheaters in the future.

Also many stated that poker sites don't care about ghosting, that they just want our rake and as long as games are running they are not going to do anything about it. I am not in total agreement with this. it would be very short sited of these sites to not address ghosting and bots. If no oversight where to occur eventually the online poker economy would collapse. As soon as the perception of an edge vanishes the recreational players will leave (look at DFS if you need an example). Eventually we will have a competition between stables and AI and we all know who will win that battle(large human armies vs intellectually superior technology, Skynet anyone). Poker sites need to maintain an appearance of fair play in order survive.

We have also discussed the implementation of new technologies in order to reduce cheating. This is really the most important aspect of this conversation to consider. What level of monitoring would we be accept in order to increase the amount of fair play. This really needs to be a thread all on its own. I would like to here more from the community about this.

Like I said in the OP I have been a lurker for years and just dipped my toe in the NVG waters. I found it can be quite toxic as I was constantly defending myself in my head for days on end and creating arguments and counterpoints. I hope that I have unburdened myself and that I can move on.

This thread is one of the worst in recent times in NVG and that's saying something.

To the OP - I don't see an apology in your post? If you want to raise the issue of ghosting do so without making baseless accusations.

To people saying it's not -EV for the stable to ghost:

The winning player's account was locked on the false accusation of a butthurt reg-fish. If Standard Backing had actually ghosted him they risked losing the entire sum of winnings. Despite what people are saying about Stars security they probably would have shut down many of the lead accounts connected to the stable and hobbled the operation.

Standard Backing's point about not helping an under pressure player is also correct; it's basic learning psychology.

FWIW I have no idea about the integrity of Standard Backing as a whole but I can't see a shred of evidence against them in this thread.

Calling Egption a regfish? His charts show otherwise, not even counting this $100k win or his $30k WCOOP score from last month.

Your post is so insanely bad I am 99% sure you're trolling.

what in the **** am i reading itt

so many of you need to just stop posting, jfc

yup

this is truly pathetic

How would this be proven though. I understand that they could use software and analyse that playing style is drastically different to what it usually is, but surely it could be argued that a low/mid stakes reg would obtain some coaching prior to such a big event and would naturally play differently in a much bigger tournament.

Without any physical proof, even if they could show that style of play was different, do you expect the winnings to be witheld on a complaint from a player who lost out?

His ability according to sharkscope is less than 90. He's a B player, not an A player. Sorry to break it to you.

lmao it totally could, like 100% could.

like sample size means a ****ing thing if suddenly you fold 100% of rags then suddenly go about 3b! every ****ing rag you see on the FT.

people who already cheat are ****ing stupid, so they will make errors.

its not hard.

No money in MTT

Everyone’s ghosted

Well, then I guess he must be, as you seem to have very clear judgement on this issue...

And your point is....?

that you're a truly atrocious poster who never has a ****ing clue what he's talking about and is respected by no one

I'm a one eyed man in a land of the blind.