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Originally Posted by Eponymous
So when did you forgive Hitler?
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Originally Posted by JasonInDallas
Your implied analogy is flawed.
I never forgave him nor have I forgiven the AP/UB cheaters and people who facilitated it, however I have forgiven Germany and probably will forgive Cereus at some point.
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Originally Posted by JasonInDallas
IDNCY.
The analogy to AP/UB is valid. Supposedly the cheaters are gone, they paid some reparations, yet the entity still operates under the same common name.
You want to hold a grudge against the whole of Cereus because of what some rogue cheaters and execs did, yet you forgive Germany as a whole despite what some rogues and leaders did .
What AP/UB did and is doing would be like if Hitler seemingly left the picture and the Nazi party stayed in power and promised to never do it again. They could claim to change their whole agenda and offer reperations to the Jews and call it all a regrettable mistake, and never fully come clean about all Nazi higher-ups and hold them accountable, who may stay in some way linked to the party.
I'm not an historian but my understanding is that there was a complete overhaul of EVERYTHING in the German government and then things were put back together with a degree of transparency to the international community.
What AP/UB is doing now is EVASIVE. They are focusing all their efforts on recruiting new players that may not fully understand what took place, and hoping previous customers will be lured back with bonuses and such and will gradually forget about the whole mess. They're basically hoping that with time the whole thing will blow over and people will eventually dismiss it as a thing of the past.
I don't know who makes these decisions over there, maybe their marketing people are smarter than I am and this is the optimal route for them to take.
Or maybe complete transparency and gaining the full confidence of the poker community would be more optimal long-term, and they know this, however full disclosure would be in some way detrimental to PEOPLE CURRENTLY INVOLVED WITH AP/UB.
We have no way of knowing since they haven't told us ****. I, like many people, will likely never know if I was cheated or not. Am I just to assume I wasn't because I didn't play the highest stakes? Is that really enough reassurance?
I will never, ever, ever put a single ****ing penny on that site or anything associated with it.
Oh and 100% agree with whoever said it's silly how so many online players blindly trust the integrity of all other poker sites when their entire livelihood depends on it.