What poker really is supposed to be is a fun social game.
Online that's never happening so I don't find it fun at all.

Way too many live regs don't understand what poker is supposed to be and suck every ounce of fun out of it.

I completely agree if people can't handle variance in poker they shouldn't play. If it wasn't for variance poker wouldn't exist at all.

It’s odd how miserable most players are at the tables. Like when a dealer sits down and introduces himself and tries to get the table to respond. Crickets at times

It’s fascinating how unhinged people get about losing a hand.

Then why are you still talking about it 12 years later?

LOL there's so much more cheating in private live games than in casino or online, how do you not know this? so dellusional.

As a dealer and former poker pro I will never understand this. There are reg pros who play everyday who still get upset every time they lose a hand. Do they not understand how poker works?

I see only one reason to play online presently. To sharpen your game for live.

Because it's a miserable existence playing. It's not fun, really. Feeding off of misery.

Simple answer -many are extremely entitled and/or broke.

Fair points but I’d also say that the people who never get upset at losing are either sunrunning their dicks off or ****ed in the head.

20 minutes in the best take on the whole RTA problem which is a non issue.

The real problem with trainers is that it ll make players so good that the average rec will go from losing 5-10-15bb/100, to 30+

Its a trash take. Someone using RTA is likely screen scaping and automating the input of cards, pulling out the responses onto an overlay, seeing in real time and acting or automating the action. The person click, click, clicking, is he really this clueless?

It's not a trash take at all, hardly anybody is going to bother doing all of that to win at low stakes and even if they did, a suddenly new player winning at 15-20+bb/100 or some player who was break even starting to win at 10+bb/100 would be extremely easy to detect.

The site could simply ask them to record themselves playing and that would give it away or you can just manually input the hand into GTO wizard and it'll say if the hand has been looked up.

All the good players know each other at every stake, so some new crusher (one who wouldn't talk), would ring alarm bells.

Sorry, but BJD is closer to reality then you. That is the whole problem, sites are not putting in the effort and money to effectively curtail this enough for it to make a significant difference to the poker community. Yes, they are catching some here and there, but there is a lot of data that support the fact that this is fairly widespread. It is prevalent at lower stakes where there is a ton of action and they can play several tables at a time. Have you been reading 2+2 for the last few months?

Borg care to share your wsop/borgata screenames?

I'm gonna go ahead and guess that you are audidriver/deposit

How do you know this???

how do you not?

I don't know, maybe the current online environment and the 300+ posts about cheating, bot farms, super users, etc........

https://play.globalpoker.com/hand/6b...d-d31b59360226

No way to play through 1 or 2 of those every 300 hands at most. Along with battling against everything else we have to today. I can't even play anymore. The outcome is going to be a net loss ultimately no matter what I do. I mean, now 95%+ equity isn't even something you can feel good about.

Seriously considering just logging off here and never depositing again. This is a joke.

i dnt even know anymore, sites dont even have the capabilities to run the games (servers crash consistantly when big mtts come around)

I'm not saying i do but I find it highly unbeliveable that sites are taking no action at all to remedy these problems. I'm sure they have teams working on it trying to figure out solutions... this isn't going to be solved overnight.

They have software for chess.com that can detect cheating even at the grand master level. For this reason, I think it would be reasonable for software to be able to catch poker players cheating using RTA. Even at the highest levels, players are not GTO robots, so a player cheating after several hands would become quite noticeable. Especially if they start playing too perfectly.

I think PokerStars is pretty good. BetOnline has been good as well. I suspect PokerStars is safer than BetOnline, but who knows. I played live poker at the casino awhile back and the rake there was ridiculous. I even entered a tournament where the house took 25%. I doubt many are making a profit playing in a game like that. The cash games had these annoying jackpots that you had to pay into every hand as well as a 10% rake. Yeah, I think I'll stick to PokerStars with the 5% rake and 33% rakeback thank you. I played live to prepare me for the WSOP as I have little experience live. It was fun to play and chat with the other players, but if you want to make more money, I think online is definitely the way to go. You get more hands per hour and significantly less rake. Just my 2 cents.

Poker is not dead.

I think every site is different and views their bottom line from a different perspective. Some sites might see value in the integrity and image of their site and will aggressively pursue bots, multi accounting etc. or they have a LEGITIMATE license which could be in jeopardy if they turn a blind eye. Other sites might not see their business model as a long term sustainable business and view bots as a good way to start games and bring liquidity to their site. Thus they will invest less money in trying to deter this kind of play. All just my opinion tho

I also think it would not be super tough to detect. You could program a bot to detect a whole slew of red flags then have a team that reviews each case individually. It would end up becoming a system similiar to blackjack where bots (people) start making -ev plays (bets) in an effort to steer the bots attention away from the poker site (casino cameras). So at the bare minimum it would ensure botters program in a way that is sometimes -ev in an effort to appear human

This is impossible.

If the recs get better and play strategies that are close to unexploitable, then everyone will be close to the same in ability and everyone will lose to the rake, on average.

There will of course be wide differences in individual results, because variance.

Well Danny Rensch says so. But if you ask guys like Fabiano Caruana, the cheating is far more rampant than they're catching.

How do you catch someone who looks up an eval on one spot?