The internet can really bring out the worst in people. I've seen and read nothing but respectable things about TD, but this particular exchange makes them both look like a couple of 15 year old morons. (referring to their actual posts, not your cliffs).

Oh how the mighty have fallen

This looks bad

I don't see how Ted personally looks bad here. He paid mike 100k the year before when he lost a prop bet of 100k. Then he wins almost two million and gets 70k in four years? If Mike was out of action as well it would be one thing, but that's not the case. Mike is playing the "black chip" games and Ted is too low on funds to get in action, all this has finally got Ted to his boiling point.

I remember ted even told Mike to sell some of the action a few days before the bet concluded because he knew he would get to under 140 and win the bet.

Ted got Lederered. When Howard, Ray, and Chris stole all the FTP money, Mikes FTP deal went down the tubes along with any chance of Ted getting paid on this bet.

Matusow bad beat reactions are the best. Not sure what's better, him crying or him repeating "YOU DON'T KNOW HOW BAD I RUN IN POKER!" over and over.

Pretty sure If someone owed me 1.7 million I'd bring it up once in awhile. Ted is completely in his right here.

If that same person beat you for a 100k prop the year before and you paid him every dime of it promptly you may even bring it up more then once in a while. LOL.

Great videos posted of mike "iput" . Mike has such a fatalistic mindset when the cards are peeling off that it makes great television when the worst case scenario unfolds.

Anybody ask Ted if he thinks this should affect Matusow's Hall of Fame credentials?

So when he weighed 143 two days before he weighed in he told Matusow to get rid of his 2 million dollar liability to some other sucker and Mike didn't oblige? I can't imagine why people failed to jump at getting a piece of that?

lol the logic here is so simple

youre taking somone who is say 10% to die in the next 5 years when you could easily pick someone who is say 20-25%

how is that hard to understand

It is a bit childish to go about it over Twitter, in my opinion. I am sure there is a better way to contact Matusow and take care of it like adults. I am sure they have some form of documentation to make sure the prop bat occurred and agreed to certain principles. Attacking Matusow through Twitter isn't going to accomplish anything.

Chino pays> Matusow pays > Erik Lindgren pays

Wrong!! He's tried to get paid for 4 years and barely got anything. Look at all the deadbeats that wound up paying some debts by outing them on this forum. From Chino to Lindgren to Moneymaker to Brad Booth.....they all started paying something after being outed on the internet and facing public pressure.

I don't know if Mike attempted to sell some of it or if he did not. But yes what you are saying is essentially true. Once Mike heard from Ted himself he was going to lose he should have sold some of the wager, or at least tried to do so. In prop bets aren't you always just trying to get the best of it? If Mike attempted to or not I have no clue, it may have been pretty difficult with the way Ted looked nearing the weigh in.


Beav I have to disagree, what Kenny S said is right on target. Many times this type of public shaming is exactly what resolved issues. Though obviously the size of this debt is enormous so who knows what the future holds. It's pretty clear Ted just wants some good faith payments . He has gotten about 320 bucks a week so far and mike is still playing big events and big games and had big cashes during these four years. So unless ted plans on he and mike living another 110 years this payment plan is not very productive.


I assume many people here like myself have people that owe us money. Good faith payments go a long long way. The opposite is also true, like when Mike binked 750k and sent ted a measly 20k

Very surprised to imagine Ted Forrest being busto. He mentioned earlier on his feed as working 'just as hard for his first $50,000 as he did for the next $40 million'.

So they had a weight loss bet for two million? TBH thats just ridiculous.

Ted should have had a clue that Mike couldnt pay {and he was a huge favorite to win} so he is just setting up a supposed friend of his, who he knows has huge personal issues, to an utterly crippling debt. Over a prob bet. Nice guys these poker pros

[QUOTE=JamesD816;44634260]I don't know if Mike attempted to sell some of it or if he did not. But yes what you are saying is essentially true. Once Mike heard from Ted himself he was going to lose he should have sold some of the wager, or at least tried to do so. In prop bets aren't you always just trying to get the best of it? If Mike attempted to or not I have no clue, it may have been pretty difficult with the way Ted looked nearing the weigh in.

Pretty difficult? Try impossible. There's nobody on earth that's going to want a piece of Matusow's side in a 2 million dollar bet if Ted weighs in at 140 when he's weighing within 5 lbs of that with 3 or 4 days to go.

Bump with all due respect I completely disagree.

1. Mike beat Ted for a 100k prop bet the year before and Ted paid.
2 FTP was still flying high and mike was a top pro of theirs so he has income
3. These guys are poker players their entire existence involves exploiting edges against others.
4 most important reason Mike is wrong is when he shipped the 750k in the NBC HEADS UP event he gave Ted a paltry 20k. If he was trying a little harder I doubt Ted makes any noise. But it's been over four years and Ted has only seen 70k and was told by mike not to call anymore


[QUOTE=Kenny S;44634868] I agree if anyone was around or saw Ted they were not touching that action

I'm sorry but I would never make a propbet so ridiculously large that I couldn't possibly pay and my opponent couldn't either. Lets be real here: if Mike had won the prop bet Ted would still owe him well over a million 4 years later if the position was reversed.

The bet was welched on and there's no b*tching that's going to change that. Either side would've welched.

I remember seeing the prop bet described on ESPN

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZrNL5nAsjUg


for some reason I thought there were odds involved and Mike thought Ted would be dead to get that low

The bet was 100k to 1 million and 50k to the second million, the two bets involved two separate dates Ted had to reach 140lbs. So Ted was only risking 150k max. He paid Mike Matusow 100k the year before on a prop bet he lost to Mike. There is no way you can conclude Ted would have welched on the bet. Especially after he paid mike 100k the year prior on a prop bet

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/poker...ory?id=5449689

Mike is an idiot. Why are people surprised by this fact after all the evidence available.

Lol to Ted or anyone trying to sue over a gambling debt. Unenforceable regardless of documentation.

Deadbeats owing deadbeats.

It's sad to see so many people I admired during the poker boom have such hardships and misery off the table.

[QUOTE=JamesD816;44634981]Bump with all due respect I completely disagree.

1. Mike beat Ted for a 100k prop bet the year before and Ted paid.
2 FTP was still flying high and mike was a top pro of theirs so he has income
3. These guys are poker players their entire existence involves exploiting edges against others.
4 most important reason Mike is wrong is when he shipped the 750k in the NBC HEADS UP event he gave Ted a paltry 20k. If he was trying a little harder I doubt Ted makes any noise. But it's been over four years and Ted has only seen 70k and was told by mike not to call anymore



Thanks for being respectful. I would like to point out however you just posted a bunch if stuff in reply either agreeing with me or talking about different things to what i said. I care not for whether Mike pays, just two degens being scummy to each other. Just another story to illustrate that poker pros are mostly morons and horrible people