this show is so bad even "The Soup" can't find it on radar

Thanks Moe.

Yeah, Mike is a good player has a lot of friends in the poker community and a good rep (money wise) so he'll never be broke or not able to play anything he wants at the wsop.

most of these guys don't travel to every wpt event like they used to. so not having any cashes does not really mean much. he might not have played anything outside of wsop.

If you tell her up front that you are not paying, she will:
A. Leave
Or
B. Bang

Sent from my GT-I9210 using 2+2 Forums

thats why you pay her.. to bang and then leave.

He's welched on plenty of prop bets. I wouldn't say he has a good rep.

Source?

You guys are stupid for talking about how Mike is broke like that is a big deal. Most gamblers are broke. Read more biographies. Doyle was always broke on and off. For that matter most people who win the lottery wind up broke in the end.

The guy has serious mental issues that he has been dealing with for a long time. It's ridiculously hard for a stable mind to deal with the swings, depression and lifestyle that come with being a professional poker player/gambler. The fact that he has made it as far as he has is pretty remarkable IMO.

AHAHAHAHAHAH best thing I've seen all day. Thank you!

Yep, really good read. I love the snoring-in-prison anecdote.

Ted Forrest @ForrestTed · Sep 9

.@CardPlayerMedia Correcting the numbers: @themouthmatusow has payed me $70.500 of the 1.8million he owes me for the weight loss bet #4years

LOL apparently stiffing Ted Forrest big $ for losing a prop bet.

As in every thread about Matusow, I must add that Mike once sent me 500$ for a trivia.

Ted Forrest should simply stake Mike for all non-nlhe MTT's he plays, and keep 75% of Mike's profits, while counting 70% as paid back debt. Forrest could easily get all his money back within 8-10 years, plus a bit on top, while Mike could still earn some money with it, and play cash aside, and not having to worry for the 10k WSOP buy-ins in Omaha-, Limit- and Mixed-variants.

But why

He's pretty much your run of the mill degen, I've met dozens of matusows in my life (although I don't know the guy, just stories and hearing him talk reminds me of so many people). Their finances are a roller coaster, they usually have substance abuse problems, a myriad of undiagnosed/diagnosed mental health problems, etc, etc. Almost all of them either end up ruining their lives (losing their house, kids, wives, etc), going to jail for an extended period of time (10+ years), dying of a drug overdose, or a combination of the 3. Ive also noticed the real tipping point is usually around their mid to late 40s.

Mike's actually in my celebrity death pool too fwiw

I think calling him a "celebrity" is generous. Also, don't think he's that great a choice for a death pool given that he's <50 and not particularly obese, so death from cardiac arrest or other natural causes not very likely.

Stu Ungar and plenty of other folks who died under 50 weren't obese either. I don't follow your logic

Not too fond of the guy.

I think it was 2009 and I was looking to buy his book online and came across some Deepstack University gig he was doing at Commerce in an upcoming weekend for $50 or so and it included the book. Since I was going to shell out the $30 for the book I figured I would head to this poker seminar to get the book.

I didn't expect much as it was vague and I assumed beginners poker crash course, which is what it was, but also more of a feeder seminar to get people to shell out $2-3k for the boot camps. Full of tv poker guy, house wives, and your run of the mill guy wearing his local poker room clothing for street cred.

Long story short, the dude is as wacky in person as he is on tv. I always thought he was hamming it up for tv, but he really is a spaz and obnoxious. The only good thing about the event was meeting Cre8tive and exchanging info. They did the boot camp style power point presentation then had us play at these tables. They wanted to assess our play and let beginners ask questions with Mike jumping back and forth between tables so these poker star hunters could say they played with him. I seriously played no hands the whole time, except one.

I had 22 UTG and decide to finally play. Even though it's play money and being a break even player at the time (thus, not good) I don't play it out of line and at showdown he shows AK hitting his K on the turn (speaking of out of line, he just flatted from the CO with this hand). He starts throwing the chips at me and berating me in front of everyone...I guess at one of the other tables he was "coaching" he told them to not be aggressive with small/medium pairs and this some how translated to our table even though he just sat down with us. I took it in stride, but was just embarrassed for him. There was kind of that awkward daddy hitting mommy at the dinner table silence as people had to be thinking like I was that this is the same guy that wants people to shell out a couple grand to be treated like this if they don't play within some system he created. I think he caught wind of being an ******* and then tried to start making light of it and joking around, but everyone was just kind of put off.

Aside from the chip throwing, what I remember most was at the end there was kind of a meet in greet while they had two dudes walking around trying to sign people up for the main boot camps. I figure Mike is a nut, but it's cool he came out. When I first got into poker in the early 2000's he was one of the big names and liked him like most are posting here. I go up just to say thanks for coming out and he was almost appalled that I came up but didn't ask for a picture or autograph. It was just awkward.

As for the book, I'm not much of a reader but did read it cover to cover. I liked it for what it was and would recommend it to others that are interested in the game from an outside the felt perspective on some degen behavior.

can't remember where I heard it (might have been the pokercast) but he said that he worked out a deal with Ted to pay him half of his FTP monthly payments as a payment plan. The after FTP went bust he said that he didn't feel he needed to pay anymore.

Big row going on on Twitter between Ted Forrest and Scott Matusow over the weight loss bet

What I mean is that in order for him to die, he will probably have to OD on something, get in some type of accident, or get murdered. Whereas someone like Doyle or anyone 65+ years old or obese could easily drop dead of heart attack or stroke at any pt. Cokeheads often die young of cardiac arrest, but I don't think MM has abused cocaine nearly as much as people like Ungar.

Post highlights?

Stil don't get the logic. You don't have to be obese to have a heart attack and Mike clearly isn't in any shape. Moving along now.

Basically Matusow's brother coming up with a variety of excuses as to why Mike shouldn't/can't pay.

1. Ted Forrest was never drug tested so Mike shouldn't pay.
2. Mike is broke so can't pay.
3. If Mike ever gets money again, he probably try to pay some.
4. Ted should just call mike to setup a payment plan.
5. Ted cheated to win the bet so Mike shouldn't pay.

Ted Responding with...

1. Ted owes money so needs Mike to pay some so Ted can get pay off creditors.
2. Ted won the bet fair and square (no drugs during weight loss bet).
3. Mike never offered Ted his stake in FTP as payment (sounds like Mike was getting 10k per month (this is pretty funny if true, since Ivey was getting $1M per month and Mike was only getting 10k per month) and may have promised half that every month to Ted until black friday)
4. Ted called Mike to discuss the debt and Mike told him to not call him anymore.
5. Mike owns part of deepstacks and his book is being made into a movie, so he should have some $ at some point.
6. Mike has $ to play in 10k events but not to pay Ted.
7. Ted is barely rolled for 20/40 and needs a stake to play higher.
8. Mike lost all his $ sports betting.
9. Ted has obligations so he has no money to sports bet.

Sounds like both of them are pretty much busto. Life of a gambler I guess.