What's the deal with accusations made about Anthony Zinno at Wynn/Encore at WPT December 2023? - Page 7 - Poker News

When I sit down across the table from someone, I can tell immediately if they have chips. I can’t tell what color backpack they may have put under their seat 12 hours ago.

Ok. Good for you.

How does that matter if they have $19,500 or $20,500 and a few chips are stolen off their stack?

Does the amount stolen matter, or should the outrage start when any money is stolen?

Point is, we all leave money at the table, making like it is the victims fault (victim shaming) shouldn't be part of this.

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02-08-2024 , 02:55 AM

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I think you are missing the point as you appear to be the only one who thinks leaving 20K in chips on table is same as leaving 20K in cash in a duffel bag under the table

These things are not even remotely the same

Sweet. Always nice to hear from someone who doesn't have a clue what is being argues. Thanks.

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02-08-2024 , 02:58 AM

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You’re making a strawman. Nobody is saying Berkey is a poker wizard.
The question, if there is one, is whether he should be offering training content. Which you can make new topic about in the poker schools/coaches discussion forum, if you like.

Is the 10th worst poker player in the world qualified to teach the 9 players worse than them?

Berkley is no where near the 10th worst poker player. He is easily in the top 50%. Not even close.

What is wrong with him teaching players worse than him for money?

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02-08-2024 , 06:13 PM

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02-08-2024 , 06:57 PM

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Wouldn't an honest person hand it to the nearest floor person and not rifle though it?

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02-08-2024 , 07:14 PM

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Wouldn't an honest person hand it to the nearest floor person and not rifle though it?

Maybe, but the other scenario of a guy with 11 million in earnings who stays in his lane (no high rollers) robbing a bag seemed less likely

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02-08-2024 , 07:16 PM

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Wouldn't an honest person hand it to the nearest floor person and not rifle though it?

Yep. You can't even pick up a chip off the floor and keep it in most of these places, let alone walk out with someone's personal bag you find. Hand it to security/staff ASAP. This latest story seems quite thin.

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02-08-2024 , 07:28 PM

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A bag is a personal belonging. I can see someone maybe grabbing it and finding its owner only to be surprised at what was in it. Not many duffels lying on floor have 20K in them

Even if you think it’s standard procedure to just give to security it’s still more likely imo than him somehow knowing there was 20K in it. And then heisting it

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02-08-2024 , 08:27 PM

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Originally Posted by ScotchOnDaRocks

Maybe, but the other scenario of a guy with 11 million in earnings who stays in his lane (no high rollers) robbing a bag seemed less likely

OK maybe research like a Chino Rheem or someone and realise live earnings /=/ bankroll or honesty

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02-08-2024 , 08:38 PM

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OK maybe research like a Chino Rheem or someone and realise live earnings /=/ bankroll or honesty

Ok man, but no research required really as they are two completely different people

One is probably playing with a very large % of himself while owing no one and the other isn’t

These 2+2 genuises are always out and about!

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02-08-2024 , 08:59 PM

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Maybe, but the other scenario of a guy with 11 million in earnings who stays in his lane (no high rollers) robbing a bag seemed less likely

First, you don't know how many people had his action or how much he netted from those earnings. Also personal wealth has nothing to do with behavior. The guy clipped the money. It's not even close.

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02-08-2024 , 09:18 PM

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Again you are just showing that you yourself think Berkey is at some kind of unattainable level of poker skill for the average person. I literally do think that most intelligent people who focused on HU for any reasonable amount of time would beat Berkey. But spending 6 months for a chance to win 100k in a high variance game is a terrible proposition for anyone with a life outside of poker. Even though it would be isolated +EV which it certainly would be, the actual life EV for me to try to set up and complete something like this is certainly negative. Who would coach me? How much would I have to pay them? Its not certain that whatever +BB/100 edge I could attain would even outweigh coaching costs and lost income during a training period. And how would I even go ahead to set up something like this with Berkey? Does he accept random people's challenges for 100k HU matches? Its not like Im a known whale like Airball..

the whole argument is just laughable. Do you really think like this, that anyone who was challenged by some random (you) on the internet to play some other person HU, should seriously contemplate the proposition or lose face? lol, get out in the real world

I disagree with most of what you've said in this thread but this is 100 percent spot on.

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02-08-2024 , 09:18 PM

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Zinno’s explanation is ridiculous.

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02-08-2024 , 09:37 PM

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First, you don't know how many people had his action or how much he netted from those earnings. Also personal wealth has nothing to do with behavior. The guy clipped the money. It's not even close.

We can use common sense and make assumptions. He was a lawyer and I think he made his first big score in a 3K WPT event. Then quickly won some other stuff. So he’s absolutely the type of guy who would have a very big piece of himself.

So you think he knew there was 20K in the duffel bag. X ray vision? Because when I see a duffel bag on the ground I don’t assume it’s filled with $100 bills

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02-08-2024 , 10:25 PM

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We don't really know what he had of himself.

It's possible he used to have a high percentage of himself after a big few scores but had way less recently. This Borgata score took place a month after the bag incident and he had really had a bad few years in tournaments.

Did he know there was 20k in the bag? Almost certainly not. Which is why he took it and ran into the bathroom with it. He couldn't exactly rifle through it at the table.

I mean really you're the one who should be using common sense.

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02-08-2024 , 10:37 PM

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Lmao at “we really don’t know what he had of himself”

Yeah most lawyers can’t afford a 3K event, I’m sure he had to sell 89.98% of himself to play, Mr. Borg23

As far as actually what he did with bag, I don’t think we know so we can’t really comment if it makes sense or not.

And iirc you made the comment in this very thread, “if he’s busto, then everyone might as well give up tournaments.”

Who’s next?

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02-08-2024 , 10:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Anthony Zinno

My first instinct (it was a late night) was that I'd assume responsibility for the bag and get it to the owner myself, figuring that they went home. My goal was to find ID, or verify ownership by some means, try to contact the owner or mutual friends, and perhaps meet somewhere on the strip (or at the restart).

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02-08-2024 , 11:40 PM

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Why is Ant posting? Puts the bag in his hands (overnight?) and clarifies intent to search it for ID.

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02-09-2024 , 12:48 AM

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Right now its undetermined if there was even the 20k in the bag, right?

Obviously this is the crux of the issue and only those two know the truth, pending some release of findings either by admitting fault or if security is able to see on video him having money when he registered etc.

For the public while we sit and speculate it comes down to whats more likely; did Zinno steal 20k or did the guy make up(or forget he didnt have it in there) that 20k was in his bag and now its missing? It would be pretty bold to take the latter route if youre the guy whose bag it was, however I've seen/heard of dumber moves being done.

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02-09-2024 , 01:03 AM

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Why would it be bold? No one can prove he didn’t have 20K in there or that he didn’t truly believe he did at least

But there was probably 20K in there, but AZ didn’t know it

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02-09-2024 , 01:58 AM

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Originally Posted by ScotchOnDaRocks

Maybe, but the other scenario of a guy with 11 million in earnings who stays in his lane (no high rollers) robbing a bag seemed less likely

Unless you have privileged info on the subject, it seems you don't understand what "earnings" means IRT this situation.

A more appropriate term would be "cashes".

You can of course claim ignorance thinking that the word "earnings" is thrown around a lot and readers either don't care or can simply replace it with the more appropriate term subconsciously.

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02-09-2024 , 02:07 AM

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Lol damn, no I don’t think that’s his net, but that’s obvious. The 11M in cashes has been brought up many times in this thread.

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02-09-2024 , 02:15 AM

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You still seem to believe it is a lot closer to $11m than it actually is.

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02-09-2024 , 02:22 AM

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Originally Posted by ProffesionalMalaka

You still seem to believe it is a lot closer to $11m than it actually is.

Umm, I never said his net was anywhere near the 11M

Next guy up needs to take a better swing.

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02-09-2024 , 02:53 AM

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You still seem to believe it is a lot closer to $11m than it actually is.

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