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What's the deal with accusations made about Anthony Zinno at Wynn/Encore at WPT December 2023? What's the deal with accusations made about Anthony Zinno at Wynn/Encore at WPT December 2023?

01-29-2024 , 07:36 PM
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Originally Posted by TheFly
Police report won’t “prove” anything. It just may reference that victim claimed $19k was missing. This won’t be proof that there was ever $20k in the bag to begin with. I’d like to give Zinno at least the presumption of innocence. Could he have grabbed what he thought was his massage-gf’s bag? The room was empty, no one was left to claim it. He then turned it into security when realized it’s not his gf’s bag. It’s not like that story isn’t plausible. I’d almost tend to believe that rather than stealing the contents and THEN turning over to security. Bottom line, we need a lot more details here. And again, Corel’s claim that his posting the police report will tell all is simply not true, it’ll be a document of his version of events only.
why go directly to the bathroom with that ? why not make a statement ?

if he was in a holding cell they obviously got some proof on him
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01-29-2024 , 07:53 PM
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Originally Posted by MyrnaFTW
why go directly to the bathroom with that ? why not make a statement ?

if he was in a holding cell they obviously got some proof on him
To take a leak? If he thought it was his/gf's bag, going to take a leak after last level and bag-n-tag is hardly suspicious.

The "holding cell" comment by Corel, lol, again, his version of events so far.

Definitely need more information. As far as making a statement, evidently this happened in December '23, not like last week. It was probably a resolved incident already at least Zinno thought. But then suddenly the claim of $19K missing. IDK, something doesn't add up.

Remember when all of 2+2 was convinced Kassouf ran off with his chips after not paying off a cash game all-in loss? Then turns out the story was complete bs and propagated by those who didn't like Kassouf.
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01-29-2024 , 09:11 PM
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Originally Posted by ScotchOnDaRocks
No it’s not ridiculous, it’s allowed to be brought up without someone whining “victim blaming!”

Truth of the matter is that monikrazy’s post is just wrong. The cameras rolling will not help you get your money back. Someone swipes the bag and gets on a plane. So the cameras help you how exactly? They don’t.

So the point is legit and common sense should prevail.
Sure, the stupidity of leaving the bag lying around CAN be brought up. But for what purpose? It adds nothing to the discussion.

No one thinks leaving a bag containing 20k unattended is a good idea. And the fact is, he did NOT leave it on purpose. He simply forgot. And then rushed back to retrieve it when he remembered. It could have happened to any of us (maybe not for 20k, but maybe something else of value, like a cell phone?).

Pointing out how stupid the error is can be considered "victim blaming" because it's mean spirited and redundant to point out the obvious. And it does nothing to mitigate blatant thievery. If i park my car for a sec with the keys inside, it doesn't give someone license to steal it. And if someone tells me how stupid I was for leaving the keys in the car, I may agree... but will also tell them to **** right off. Because no one needs to hear that **** when they've been victimized by a crime.

As for Zinno's supposed excuse about wanting to return the bag, why not give it to the dealer, or a floor person?! If he thought it "might" be his gf's, why not call her?
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01-29-2024 , 09:22 PM
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Originally Posted by 2plus2username
Sure, the stupidity of leaving the bag lying around CAN be brought up. But for what purpose? It adds nothing to the discussion.

No one thinks leaving a bag containing 20k unattended is a good idea. And the fact is, he did NOT leave it on purpose. He simply forgot. And then rushed back to retrieve it when he remembered. It could have happened to any of us (maybe not for 20k, but maybe something else of value, like a cell phone?).

Pointing out how stupid the error is can be considered "victim blaming" because it's mean spirited and redundant to point out the obvious. And it does nothing to mitigate blatant thievery. If i park my car for a sec with the keys inside, it doesn't give someone license to steal it. And if someone tells me how stupid I was for leaving the keys in the car, I may agree... but will also tell them to **** right off. Because no one needs to hear that **** when they've been victimized by a crime.

As for Zinno's supposed excuse about wanting to return the bag, why not give it to the dealer, or a floor person?! If he thought it "might" be his gf's, why not call her?
The one guy thought it was fine because the cameras were rolling. But that of course often won’t get your money back.

Thus there does appear to be value in bringing it up. Consider it a PSA of sorts.

But again, no it’s not victim blaming. Victim blaming would be saying something like they deserved to have the money stolen. But don’t think that really happened here. And the dude who get robbed isn’t talking here, so you can’t go to the “no one needs to hear that chit after they got robbed.
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01-29-2024 , 11:46 PM
If your general point is that the cameras in a casino are there for the protection of the casino and its $, and NOT for the benefit of the players (a point made by Berkey), then I agree with you. It's a fine PSA. And I'm sure we are all grateful for the reminder.

But the focus should still be on the crime, and the scummery (new word?) of the act, rather than the victim's error of judgment or forgetfulness. Your response reminded me of Berkey's who, even though he briefly touched on and mildly condemned the allegations, seemed more interested in focusing on the issue of poor judgment.
It just seemed a little tone deaf.
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01-30-2024 , 12:26 AM
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Originally Posted by 2plus2username
If your general point is that the cameras in a casino are there for the protection of the casino and its $, and NOT for the benefit of the players (a point made by Berkey), then I agree with you. It's a fine PSA. And I'm sure we are all grateful for the reminder.

But the focus should still be on the crime, and the scummery (new word?) of the act, rather than the victim's error of judgment or forgetfulness. Your response reminded me of Berkey's who, even though he briefly touched on and mildly condemned the allegations, seemed more interested in focusing on the issue of poor judgment.
It just seemed a little tone deaf.
You are welcome!

But to be fair people were just talking about the crime until you chimed in to again rehash the blaming the victim stuff.

Lol I don’t care about Berkey’s response but think we can multitask. We can light a candle for Corel if you want but didn’t he get his money back?
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01-30-2024 , 02:28 AM
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Originally Posted by ScotchOnDaRocks
You are welcome!

But to be fair people were just talking about the crime until you chimed in to again rehash the blaming the victim stuff.

Lol I don’t care about Berkey’s response but think we can multitask. We can light a candle for Corel if you want but didn’t he get his money back?
If he did, I'm not aware of it. What makes you think so?
Candles are cool, so sure, light away!
But don't pray for Corel. Pray for punishment of the thief, Anthony Zinno, who just cashed for six figures at Borgata. I wonder where he got his buy in from...?
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01-30-2024 , 03:07 AM
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Originally Posted by 2plus2username
If he did, I'm not aware of it. What makes you think so?
Candles are cool, so sure, light away!
But don't pray for Corel. Pray for punishment of the thief, Anthony Zinno, who just cashed for six figures at Borgata. I wonder where he got his buy in from...?
Regardless the cameras saved the day..,
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01-30-2024 , 07:55 AM
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Originally Posted by Kebabkungen
For starters there is no way he actually believes the trash course hes selling is worth the money compared to other products out there. Also like almost every poker player on twitter hes very selective about the topics he chooses to attend to, which shows low integrity and that hes mainly picking spots based on what will give him more popularity. He was quickly to jump on the wagon when Doug Polk acted like a douche to Charlie Carrel, because it was easy picking where Polk was clearly in the wrong. But where is his critique about the GG "Integrity Council"? That would imply actually getting into an argument with people who are well liked in the community so he wont do that. Similar story here with Zinno. Until theres a majority opinion against Zinno Berkey wont say ****.
So he’s a scumbag because he charges more for his training course than you personally believe it’s worth? And because he doesn’t publicly call out people/companies in the poker world that you personally believe should be called out? That appears to be your entire critique. Not terribly convincing.
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01-30-2024 , 02:00 PM
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Originally Posted by BringBackMo
So he’s a scumbag because he charges more for his training course than you personally believe it’s worth? And because he doesn’t publicly call out people/companies in the poker world that you personally believe should be called out? That appears to be your entire critique. Not terribly convincing.
My "entire critique" is that the dude's entire business is basically a fraud and that otherwise hes a low integrity social media grifter. His entire public life is scumbaggy, what more do you want?
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01-30-2024 , 06:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Kebabkungen
My "entire critique" is that the dude's entire business is basically a fraud and that otherwise hes a low integrity social media grifter. His entire public life is scumbaggy, what more do you want?
I listen to Berkey on occasion and have no strong opinion on him. That said, I do not use scumbag lightly in context of poker. I do not fault someone for the price they charge for services. That is between the provider and their customer and the market ultimately sets the price. I do not think that has anything to do with being a scumbag.

I think not calling out a friend who is a scumbag as demonstrated by stealing a bag at the table does reflect poorly on Berkey, but am withholding judgement until the dust settles. If the allegations are true and Berkey goes silent I will take issue with that.
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01-30-2024 , 07:55 PM
Not victim blaming but who leaves their stuff just laying around random strangers? My wallet has $563 in it right now, it's chained to my belt loop. My keys are in my pocket and my phone is on a carabiner opposite side of my wallet. There are people in this world that steal their grandmothers pension money, take care of your stuff.
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01-30-2024 , 08:01 PM
is very odd mindset that people charging an amount that you disagree with for their services is a scam.
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01-30-2024 , 09:05 PM
Confirmed scammer and douche.

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01-30-2024 , 11:46 PM
love or hate The Poker Karen, this is some funny ****:

https://x.com/ThePokerKaren/status/1...228447891?s=20
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01-31-2024 , 02:56 AM
Interesting read...

Sad to see someone ruin their reputation over such a small amount (relatively) of money

Last edited by AllBlackDan; 01-31-2024 at 03:10 AM.
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01-31-2024 , 03:59 AM
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Originally Posted by ScotchOnDaRocks
At some point the amount of cashes and money has to matter. If this guy doesn’t have any life leaks he should have a couple million at least

But something has to be going on here. It is also surprising to me, struck me as a distinguished little gentlemen buying sweaters from j crew and investing in T Bills
Yeah, if he had 100% of his action in all these tourneys, it would be hard to be broke.

If.
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01-31-2024 , 04:01 AM
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Originally Posted by recgettingwrecked
Mentioning you should not leave your bag when referencing a crime where someone steals a bag is “victim blaming”. It’s like saying “who walks down an empty street” when a person gets shot down an empty street. It’s just ridiculous.
Nah, it's like saying "who walks down a street where everyone's sitting around brandishing guns" when a person gets shot down a street where everyone's brandishing guns. Should you be able to walk down this street? Sure. Would a smart person understand you're taking a risk of being morally right but bleeding out on ths sidewalk? Also yes.
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01-31-2024 , 04:30 AM
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Originally Posted by Punker
Nah, it's like saying "who walks down a street where everyone's sitting around brandishing guns" when a person gets shot down a street where everyone's brandishing guns. Should you be able to walk down this street? Sure. Would a smart person understand you're taking a risk of being morally right but bleeding out on ths sidewalk? Also yes.
So everyone in a poker room is a known bag thief with a penchant for stealing a bag the moment it’s left unattended? To make your analogy work.
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01-31-2024 , 04:46 AM
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Originally Posted by jcorb
Not victim blaming but who leaves their stuff just laying around random strangers? My wallet has $563 in it right now, it's chained to my belt loop. My keys are in my pocket and my phone is on a carabiner opposite side of my wallet. There are people in this world that steal their grandmothers pension money, take care of your stuff.
People absolutely should take care of their stuff . If you walk through a shitty neighborhood flashing jewelry and cash you're likely to be robbed. So yes people should be told not to do dumb **** like that.

Still it doesn't absolve the robbers or in this case Zinno if he really grabbed the bag and ran into the bathroom with it.
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01-31-2024 , 04:59 AM
I'm curious if Willie Wiggins' post was the first significant public mention of the allegations, including by Corel himself. If so, then the "yet nobody at PokerNews or blogs are talking about it" statement is rather funny to me.
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01-31-2024 , 06:30 AM
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Originally Posted by 2plus2username
If i park my car for a sec with the keys inside, it doesn't give someone license to steal it. And if someone tells me how stupid I was for leaving the keys in the car, I may agree... but will also tell them to **** right off. Because no one needs to hear that **** when they've been victimized by a crime
If you leave your car running or just leave the keys in the ignition, then yeah, you do need to be reminded how ****ing stupid that is. Gonna leave a baby in the car too? Don’t do stupid ****. Not once, not ever. I know how hard it is for some people to remove the keys from a car, and heck, lock the car., but education standards have been dropping for decades.

Does leaving keys in your car or a bag at a poker table absolve a thief? Of course it doesn’t but scumbags look for opportunities. As Stallone said in Lock Up, DTA.
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01-31-2024 , 11:54 AM
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Originally Posted by jcorb
Not victim blaming but who leaves their stuff just laying around random strangers? My wallet has $563 in it right now, it's chained to my belt loop. My keys are in my pocket and my phone is on a carabiner opposite side of my wallet. There are people in this world that steal their grandmothers pension money, take care of your stuff.
Victim blaming is just fine if said alleged victim claims to have done something so monumentally stupid as to throw their whole account of the incident into question.
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01-31-2024 , 03:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Donkey Schon
I listen to Berkey on occasion and have no strong opinion on him. That said, I do not use scumbag lightly in context of poker. I do not fault someone for the price they charge for services. That is between the provider and their customer and the market ultimately sets the price. I do not think that has anything to do with being a scumbag.

I think not calling out a friend who is a scumbag as demonstrated by stealing a bag at the table does reflect poorly on Berkey, but am withholding judgement until the dust settles. If the allegations are true and Berkey goes silent I will take issue with that.
I agree with you in the sense that there are way worse scumbags in poker. In every other field he would be seen as a scumbag, but in poker hes just small fry, relatively speaking. Says more about the "poker community" than Berkey
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01-31-2024 , 03:33 PM
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Originally Posted by submersible
is very odd mindset that people charging an amount that you disagree with for their services is a scam.
Not really. Only way he can charge what he does is because he can fool people who dont know better into buying the product by using big words. His product is worth less than he charges and he knows it.

Hes a charlatan. What he does is really not much different to selling ointments or oils or crystal stones that dont work to pensioners for exorbitant prices. And everyone calls people like that scumbags.
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