I can't say I'm a fan. It wouldn't really do anything to increase action. Generally speaking, if a guy wants to draw toward a flush/straight/etc. he's just going to do it, seeing some dead cards burned doesn't make him more likely to draw. However, if he does see some of his outs get burned, he's now more likely to fold.

Put another way, if the flop comes out with a draw, and a player rates "Will I pay to draw?" on a scale from 1 to 10, he's already pretty much at 10. So exposing some dead cards can potentially kill action, but it can't really generate more.

As for the guys who are actually thinking about the game and letting math guide there decisions, this doesn't really do much, either. Guys who spend their time multitabling have their odds and outs memorized already, and all this really does is give them a bit more to memorize. It might slow them down/make them think a little bit, but the majority of plays will go back to "automatic" as soon as they adjust to the game mentally.

I want to see games that encourage people to play their hands, not fold them.

We used to play a game in a home game where it was pineapple, except you had to turn over the card you were discarding face-up. And we played another variant where you got four cards pre-flop and had to discard two of them face-up, one before the flop and one after the flop.

I really liked these games because they brought in some of the excitement of 7-stud with card elimination, and also being able to figure out what people were doing based on their discards.

Ya but what if the cards were only exposed for say 5 seconds.

Then there will be software that displays what the exposed cards were.

3 cards preflop, 3 cards on the flop burn, 3 on turn burn, 3 on river burn.

Call the game 12.

whats wrong there ?

Yep, this. I'm not at all in the "screw multitablers/grinders/software" camp but only revealing the cards for a short time doesn't really do anything.

See, I could get behind this. This is actually something unique that would play differently than holdem. The variant in the OP is "holdem, but force people who are paying attention to tweak their odds calculations slightly, sometimes," which is pretty dull.

would be interesting but its a pretty subtle twist given everyone has the same info.

private dead cards would be more interesting - ie each player gets to see a card or two that noone else sees.

pretty sure most people were assuming this would be played live

it sounds fun tbh, ill try it out at my next homegame hopefully

this...

meh i would rather play OFC

i know hold'em is technically a stud variant, but this seems to employ a similar skillset to 7-card stud (or to a lesser extent gin rummy)

and it'll make for a slower game

I'm pretty sure that's not true. Hold 'em is its own variant.

Might be interesting to play as a one-off, but lots of negatives including:

1. Game will be slowed down.
2. Edges would be reduced.
3. Multi-tabling would be much harder.
4. Hard-to-monitor Third-Party software would spring-up to aid players.
5. Bots would be far more prevalent.
6. Further splitting of player pools would be bad for liquidity.
7. Disadvantage to short-stackers all-in if other players are given extra info prior to later streets. (Perhaps that's a plus point?)

I'm pretty sure edges would be increased. The only difference between this and regular holdem is that a little more information is available, and stronger players will make better use of that information than weaker players.

edit: don't see it doing anything to help bots or hurt shortstacks either

I think exactly the same and that would be pretty bad for the game. As it is (online at least), there are less and less fishs and the ones remaining are cleaned up faster and faster by the regs/pros. The casual player wants to have fun and gamble.

Yeah, I think this is the problem with the idea.

wow i feel like this would just be a horrible game to play

Pretty much.

The effects would include:

(1) Greater edge for strong players
(2) Particularly benefits maths players
(3) Slows the game down (live can be almost insufferable already!)
(4) Makes it easier for bots to win vs real players
(5) Puts players without HUDs at a bigger disadvantage
(6) Reduces variance
(7) Reduces number of tables that can be played online (if ur not a bot)
(8) Makes the game look more complex to fish (so will discourage take-up)
(9) Gives more info about the players (to good players)

Overall, I can't see any significant advantage and many of the above are material disadvantages. Perhaps DS can explain why he's put it out here in the frst place?

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agree with all of that

Lock it up.

this. the idea is terrible.

Any game that has the potential to make pokersnowie worthless is a good looking option to me.

Must be a bunch of online players ITT. Live 1/2NL players all know that if the dealer accidentally exposes a card while dealing, it guarantees another card of that same value will hit the board. In fact, it's so well known that every time it happens, someone will comment on this rule, and everyone else will nod their head in agreement.

This game sounds like an action killer. When someone accidentally exposes a 7 when folding, I won't be playing my pocket 7's then.

Keep writing great books to add to your legacy OP.