Hi, sorry this reply is late. If you take a look at the app screens you'll see they don't show stack sizes or betting amounts.

Just betting patterns.

Kickstarter are stringent when it comes to hardware projects, there is no misrepresentation, but it is a concept that requires a lot of explaining and we've probably not done a great job with that.

Thanks

Thanks, I'll try and find thousands of nerds, maybe I'll get a few backers

This was envisioned as a way to allow the game to progress, in spite of all the distractions you mentioned above. I hope you can see why I thought the need exists.

it looks like you invested a decent amount of time into a failing venture but learn and grow it wont be a waste.

I can say as mostly playing live i would find this as an inconvenience and be kinda pissed if i had to deal with it. its just unnecessary , its like your trying to solve problems that arent problems

the card room wont like it because it will most likely mean less hands per hour , having to explain and unnecessary card protecter that also acts as another dealer . not to mention dealers wont like it because its taking more of their job away which could in all seriousness be replaced by automation but people sometimes just wanna play live and oldschool.

crowd funding is a cool hustle but if you care about your reputation or are considering investing your own money i would reconsider.

Thanks for the reply.

My thoughts were that the older players you mentioned would not be likely customers. However, if you listen to a podcast I spoke on about the device (Top pair home poker podcast) you'll hear Bruce Briggs's opinion and his excitement for it. He's 64 and has played for years. His reaction really surprised me.

The price atm will be £299 for a set of ten. This is certainly too high, but the price was set to cover all of our development costs, and the hope was early adopters would be willing to get in before the price dropped to something more reasonable.

Our limited research showed plenty of young people play

Hi, really? If you do recall where you have seen something please message me.

We have a patent pending, and the attorney was optimistic, but no search can be comprehensive so we won't know for sure just yet.

The closest match we found was a wirelessly connected dealer button for MTT. It incorporated a timer for the blinds.

Thank you very much. I agree, this isn't the perfect solution, especially for donks or drunks, and the interacting bit may prove to be an area we have to re-visit.

It is a start thou, and as soon as we can get a robust product made we can adapt it based on real live user feedback.

Glad you liked the some of the features and basic premise.

Great reply.

Thank you all very much for getting involved here and telling me your opinions.


I will try and get back on here soon in case there is more comments but for now I have to go attend school nativity shows, work, and get ready for some new opportunities.

The Kickstarter is almost certain to fail. We massively underestimated what it takes to drive enough traffic to the page. (less than a thousand people have viewed since we launched)

But we have managed to somehow attract some promising inquiries from card rooms in the US and and companies here in the UK.

It looks like this is where we are heading for now, so you never know. A version of this may be a real product one day.

I think its an interesting idea but I just can't get my head round why you're doing it with hardware? Nearly everyone has a smart phone that could do this and if a couple of people in the group don't there's going to be people who have spares (I have a couple of spare phones and a tablet that I'd be more than happen to lend to friends). I've done some app development and I could code (unpolished but fully working) this for Android and iPhone in less than a week. It seems over engineered.

Most is probably already said.

1. home games with people just having fun and socialize dont need/want this.
2. home games that are serious dont need this because everybody/most player are aware.
3. Current set-up will just slow down the game, extra actions needed by players.
4. If anything make one hardware device for the dealer, but this is already in the market.
5. Everything you are trying to achieve can be done through apps instead of extra hardware.

All in all you are trying to solve a "problem" with additional actions which is counter-productive. Dealer/organizer of the game should take care of this imo.

If anything then just a plain shotclock would suffice.

That might be what I’m thinking of. It just seems vaguely familiar so maybe that’s why.

But the video includes chip counts...

Crossing fingers won't change the fact that it's most definitely spam. Not sure why you thought who that article was by would change anything - the reason it's spam is because this thread is nothing but an advertisement for your product.

That said, it's obviously been viewed as fairly harmless (and I'd agree), so it's been left alone. Just wanted you and others to know, just in case anyone thought this thread was a precedent that we would allow all similar threads in the future.

Not sure if you haven't seen your own video, or have just forgotten what's in it, but:

Exactly. Starting at around the 1:35 mark, the app is mentioned, and then the visual includes "Your Chip Count". It's only a brief mention, but it really should be fixed.

As for the idea overall, I'd agree with the sentiment of many - a solution in search of a problem.

Unlike others above, I don't completely hate it – in fact, I like some of the broad strokes of it. Here are some loose thoughts:

a) your device looks quite a bit like a dealer button, which could cause some confusion (even if that confusion is just visual). Is it possible to make it look substantially different from a button?

b) as said a few times above, the dealer button with a built-in timer already exists. Most of what I've seen (plus the one I have) resembles a $5 egg timer. If you made one that looks as cool as the one in the GIF, I'd buy it in a heartbeat.



c) I could envision the interactive nature of the capper resulting in a few "live misclicks" – e.g. someone moving the guard onto his cards (or off, to look at them), only to accidentally declare a bet or a fold or something. Perhaps the actions should be such that they are less likely to create inadvertent actions.

d) Speaking of the interactions, I would recommend making them more intuitive. Double-tap to raise, shake to move all-in, etc... you might as well go chest-sleeve-chest-chin-sleeve-ear to signal a squeeze play. Maybe your device should have little buttons on them.

e) ...or better yet, just ditch the interactions altogether. As others have said, this does not add to the enjoyment of the game; in fact, it would likely detract from it. However, keeping a built-in shot clock could be cool. A person acts, then hits their Floplay (not unlike a chess player hitting the timer button). This then illuminates the next guard in sequence. Players would always see where the action is because that player's Floplay would be glowing. Of course, the system could be such that the clock duration is adjustable – or even off.

Anyway, what is proposed in that video strikes me as trying to do too much. There is a version of this that could be rather fun (assuming it's not prohibitively priced).

Incidentally, if you guys get on Dragons' Den one day, let us all know.

With much respect. Wanted to improve your post. He might as well try to get on the real deal go 'murica.

hahaha nice... I figured he was in Manchester, so he'd be on the British version.

Then no FYP was needed.

Most of us just have imitations of the original Dragon's Den from Japan. 'murica was pretty late to the game, TBH.

correct. improved it . didnt fix it. so I guess IYP ???

Always thought dragons dens started in UK. No idea it was in Japan. dragon in name I guess was a good clue.

What’s the marketing plan? How will you get the word out?

You're posting in it.

I'm trying not to be biased and that just might be the greatest post of the year!

I am laughing my ****ing ass off!

Bobo delivers the goods

I hope this isn’t the whole plan. This actually seems like it’d be more of an impulse buy, depending on price point, and selling it on gambling supply sites/stores would be ideal. Much more than a forum post is needed.

Meh,

true on 2+2 not being a marketing plan (well unless you sell poker books or clicks from poker players)

but focus groups, market research and such are good first steps. what better place to get some initial feedback before investing in next step.

PpOlKaEyRer,

- there is a thread somewhere here on 2+2 (I cant find it ) which is something like "post your poker business ideas here and I will tear them up" that would be another good place to post.

- Hats off to you . Of the 1000 people that have a business idea, probably only 1-2 take as far as you have with a crowd funding stab. So you are already in elite status

- I don't think this is your intent but if it is, think about giving up any plans to put this in live casinos, for all the reasons mentioned above, I just don't see anything like this working there. There is no problem to solve there. Dealers keep games moving. Home games is the prob to solve. Im still not convinced this will solve that problem, but very few thought people would get taxi rides from a stranger in their personal car by pushing a button on their smart phone either.

- Keep noodling around with your ideas and getting as much feedback as you can from as many sources as you can.

Is it this one?

https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/3...prove-1132963/

If not, I'm curious to read it... sounds both entertaining and educational.