Hi everyone this is my project, the article is by Pokernews Canada, so I'm hoping that it won't be viewed as spam. (fingers crossed)

https://ca.pokernews.com/news/2018/1...t=pn-hp-hero-4

Posting here for some ideas of how to improve?

Be as negative as you want, I think I'm immune to it now after some of the comments I've been sent so far.

But if you can help with some constructive ways for me to change and direct the product at more serious students of the game and card room's, it will be a big help

Thanks.

Good idea, feel like ppl in casual home games won’t want to deal with it tho, what kind of penalty will u give random fish or newish at poker if shot clock runs out or if someone is drunk not paying attention etc

Honestly feel it’s better idea for tournaments /cash in a casino room , however doubt that will happen anytime soon as most regs prob would complain,

Bearing in mind you're not entering how much you are betting, or indeed what anyone else is betting, how do you plan to keep track of chip stacks and other stats (as your video says you can)?
What happens when you move tables?

"Floplay looks to bring your home game into the 21st century."

"More serious students of the game" versus those seeking the social element of a home game, where "everyone's focused on Fred's story"?

The former don't need what you're proposing and the latter won't want or won't use it.

A card room won't need it, that's what they have dealers for.

Try again.

Thanks, so if shot clock runs out, their hand is dead. A bit harsh for new players, but the clock will be adjustable, so the host could choose to play with say 60 seconds or 90.

The drunk guy is more difficult to handle, but I'm hopeful that even the drunk guy will benefit by being able to easily see the previous players actions.

What makes you think the regs would complain? That's interesting

Hi, so it won't keep track of how much is being bet, nor chip stacks.

Just what actions you have taken. For instance, how many times you have seen the flop etc

sorry but this is just ridiculous.
Nobody but nobody is willing to press this button after each action....

It could work if the dealer puts in the actions via a tablet so that it shows on these silly buttons. This way the players wont have to deal with it but will get the gameplay information. But requires too much hassle for the dealer...

An better option is rfid in the cards and chips and some kind of smart table that follows the actions automatically. Technically doable.

The way this is implemented tho... just terrible

Hi, thanks for replying. Maybe a card room won't need it, but I'm not entirely convinced that they won't want it. Shot Clock's are pretty in demand at the minute.

Thanks. An automatic way would be great, and you're right the dealer would have a lot of inputting to do.

I guess I was optimistic that people would be more than willing to tap a device. After all most players tap the table already and they also fiddle with their chips, do you really think that they would find pressing a button that annoying?

The design is good tho. I think it has some potential once you can get rid of the playerimput needed each action. It only takes 1 person out of 9 to not to it and you have the same "frustration"

You are take a problem, and by trying to solve it you create a very similar problem ...
People not paying attention, not adequately pressing these buttons slowing down the game...

The solution for this has been solved for years. Its called a dealer button, whoever shuffles/deals the hand makes sure to rotate the dealer button properly and keep players in check posting their blinds.

How it has some potential is if you figure out a way to have this information without player input

The reason I say regs complain , first Bc all this info they already know, and it’s extra work each action, will be annoying, already know how to protect cards(once someone’s hand is mucked once never happens again )

Then some other regs who play all the time and want to gain info off tells - will complain about shotclock ( I could see ppl be ok with the shotclock for tournaments)

Was just my initial thoughts, others may have different ideas

Yes people are not used to it and human history has proven that human beings tend to be not so fond of changes unless its more convenient. This is not so convenient. It only takes one guy to not be willing to do this and it screws up the idea. I think in practice people get tired of it honestly, another screen another tech thing when you are just wanting to play some cards and have a drink.

Glad you like the design, thanks.

Thanks for the feedback, I do see how this could create extra problems, and I am determined to find a solution for them all, one day.

This is pointless, only the hardcore regular home gamer's will even look into something like this, and i doubt anyone's going to part with money or make the effort to make this work.

invest your time into a simple app, that incorporates blinds/time and shot clock option that can be managed by the dealer. shot clock's are popular right now, and usually involved the dealer touching a button to restart the 30 seconds, and the odd pause of time to count chips.

get that sorted and also display blinds and chips and im sure people will download your app, include a few pre set structures and your sorted

Thanks my friend.

I'm hopeful that regs will change their mind if the device can get more people involved in the game.

Good point about shot clock

Hi, you're certainly right about getting people to part with money That's proving near impossible.

Hence the request for ways to make this more attractive to card rooms.

Do you mean an app that each player has on their phone?

I ask because I explored this idea a long time ago via Reddit and literally everybody said they would not be willing to sacrifice their phone for something like this.

So your promotional video is a misrepresentation of what your product is, and you're begging for money?

No, not an app for every players phone

the recent shot clock tournaments i played had a small tablet, with 3 buttons, pause, reset, +30seconds. 30 second count down everytime reset pressed, so simple.

if you can make that, and add in the display of the blinds/clock etc people might download it. but that's for a single device for 1 table

stop trying to get people to use apps or devices to play a LIVE home game, its not going to work. its hard enough to get people to turn up, and have chips, cards, dealer button and people who understand the game, then they always want to play for micro stakes, and your asking people to part with big sums of money for a pointless device that only 0.0001% of the poker community would even look twice at.

if it was a home game full of nerds it may work, add beer, noise, human conversation or any other forms of distraction, dogs , annoyed girlfriends etc etc, it'll never work

in fact nerds might reprogram it to add bet sizes etc, they'll love it

in fact I dont get why it couldn't be an app using tablets or fones, everyones got an old android or iPhone 4/5 laying around? that'd have more chance of working charging few$ for basically a fancy 30sec shot clock - sold as a poker app

As a dragon though - I'm out tho unfortunately

I played in a regular home game for many years with a bunch of old fart retirees (lol). These guys played in home games for most of their lives and rarely in a casino environment. They were there for (in order of importance): 1) the money; 2) the booze & snacks; and 3) the social aspects. Since the money was most important, anything perceived as "holding up the game" would always be an issue. Adding any kind of technology such as this would just be confusing, distracting, and annoying to these types of players.

They'd also probably complain about paying to buy it. How much will it cost, BTW?

Also, I don't have any idea (and not sure that anyone else can say definitively) whether there are more people in this age group (60+ yr olds) playing in home games than young or middle aged people. I imagine they make up a significant percentage though. I think younger players would tend to be more receptive to something like this invention, so to have a chance of being successful in the home game market, you would need to at least have an idea if there are enough younger players to make it profitable.

IMO, in a home game it's not usually that hard to figure out if you have the button next when the person on your right just dealt, but you can always ask if you can't remember. Also, what acted as kind of a "button" for us was having two different color decks at the table to speed up play. The player to the dealer's left would shuffle their deck, and have it ready to cut and deal as soon as the previous hand was cleared. This also made it easy to see which player the picked up cards from the previous hand should go to.

If someone called the clock on a player (hardly ever happened because usually one or more players would just start beotching at them), we used an old fashioned egg timer that was already set about 2/3 of the way through, to give them approximately one minute to tank. Seriously low tech poker, lol .

If this company goes public, wait a day or two and short the stock.

This will not be in demand.

Sorry, but hasn’t this been done? I feel like I’ve seen similar products.

I think the premise is brilliant. Having to deal with it for betting and stuff is pretty dumb tho and I dont think donks at home games who cant follow the action (And thus would need this) are the type of people who want to dick with it for bets and raises and stuff.

But having the blind levels and time remaining in blinds and who is the blinds and where the button is would be a pretty huge hit imo.

interesting, love seeing new stuff. couple random thoughts.

1) People above talking about this being useful in anything other than a single table home game, have reading (video viewing ) comprehension problem. Clearly the product is targeted only to single table home games.

2) From their video "where the avg hands per hour is 30" ....
LOLLLLLZZZ we get about 15 per hour in my home game because all my friends are idiots and have no idea how to deal or even keep focused on whats happening in the hand, so the premise of problem being solved is valid imo.

3) Company should do live (vs cartoon) video with device in action. Cartoon video is cute and all the rage now in general marketing (and kickstarter campaign videos), but cartoon does no good in seeing the product in practice so hard to say if it would actually help game flow or not. My intuition is pretty much what Alobar suggested above.


oh and

triple lol. If this company goes public I will buy all their inventory and stick them all up my arse.

regarding their kickstarter campaign they've raised $4k so far. I think all should applaud their desire to at least try to solve the problem of my idiot friends (and yours as well) and throw them a few bucks.

disclosure: I have nothing to do with this company and only found out about it when opening this thread.