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Originally Posted by rdedrde1
But that's my point.
It ****ing ain't worth $2k/hour.
But if it actually does something (positive) for you(r life) then maybe it provides >2k worth of value. AND you'd have a v hard time to convince me that that's a wrong hypothesis.
Elliot seems quite good at what he does and you might be able to get >$2k worth of value for your session, but I don't think that's necessarily the most cost-effective option.
For instance, let's say you're a top player / competitor and experience a lot of performance stress and anxiety/depression. You could try Elliot Roe, but you could also try finding a therapist and pay 5%-10% the cost (depending on where you live). It's possible you don't need a top-of-the-line performance coach, but perhaps a mental health professional can help you handle it all the same. Maybe it's as simple as just needing someone to talk to, which shouldn't cost $2k.
As posters mentioned above, exercise, mindfulness, and breathing/relaxation techniques are also smart to prioritize in your life before paying top dollar.
And if you try all that stuff and it doesn't work for you, then you can always go back and try Elliot, but imo a lot of it is regular therapy with a premium branding slapped on it to attract customers that are not price sensitive. I imagine he's able to charge so much because he can put the faces of elite competitors / performers on his page and sell it as something completely different. A key part of anchoring people to a much higher price is selling it as almost an entirely new product (Think: Starbucks is just overpriced coffee, but the branding / façade sells it)
A common argument from performance coaches is that their specific knowledge about their niche industry is what makes them so valuable, but the main downside of their offering is that it's usually entirely self-taught and there's little hard evidence to back up their claims. On the other hand, therapists and mental health professionals have less specific knowledge, but often have PhDs and their practices are evidence-based and regulated. Basically, performance coaches are subjective and based mostly on social-proofing, whereas the mental health industry has a scientific basis (though it has its own flaws).
Further, many poker players really should be seeing a therapist anyway, and some of their emotional problems / stresses are related to life circumstances (wife, kids, bills etc) and traumas (abuse, toxic money beliefs, family history of mental illness etc). A performance coach won't be able to deal with that as effectively.
One thing that would change my opinion is to see some more concrete data on the efficacy of performance coaches' sessions. For instance, survey people and ask them how they're doing 6, 12, and/or 24 months after completing the training. Ask them how much their salary has increased/decreased over that time period. Maybe match that up with existing data for mainstream treatments. If there was more of an objective basis for this stuff working effectively, then I'd think of it much more favorably.
TL;DR: High-price mental game coaches generally do what they advertise and seem like good people, but I'd suggest trying everything else first.