If I were a coach, you could forget about meditation - I would recommend watching videos of cute animals. Way more effective.

Okay. But what does any of this have to do with poker? Poker is not a game of speed, timing, and coordination, and most of this stuff, if it does work in an athletic sport is based in speed, timing and coordination.

Mason

If you want to be scammed by a guru there are way more entertaining people to donate your money to than failed poker players.

You make some very good points here, having run a stable/coached students for years myself I can 100% without a doubt say that just because a coach doesn’t provide a staking service doesn’t mean they are a bad coach. All this does is validates their coaching to the public in the terms of $won.

Sauce123 used to coach for an hourly, he never ran a stable to my knowledge publicly. However I do completely understand your reasoning behind your post and I somewhat agree with you.

I would keep it as simple as routine and mindset construction. A very good example of this is the prison system. Each day they are woken at the same time, cold showers, coffee etc. I had a friend of mine go through selling drugs/ bad habits due to his belated mothers cancer, off the rails etc. His jail stint he is now a new man and he explains it’s due to the routine. Not being able to do what you want to, having the the body set in it’s mindset each day you wake up, have your coffee, cold shower, gym.

He does it to this day and is one of the biggest fitness influencers online and swears by it. I know I keep relating this back to athletic activity but the brain is directly related to endorphins and dopamine.

Now would I say that meditation is the same as going to the gym? Yes I would, do I meditate? No. But I do believe that they are directly associated in the brain with the same benefits to the body for stressful tasks.

The fact that you posted those three videos says to me that you know little about the differences between poker and an athletic sport. (See my book Real Poker Psychology - Expanded Edition for more discussion.) Perhaps in a game like basketball, visualization might help you shoot more consistently, but I doubt if it'll help your aces hold up more often. You need to understand that the execution component in poker is at best small since it's a game of knowledge and not speed, timing, and coordination.

As for your personal example, if you think that a downswing is somehow affecting your judgement, (or maybe your judgement is poor against a superior player) just fall back on game theory to make your decisions. Also, it would probably help to improve your understanding of how the short-term luck factor in poker actually works.

Mason

I see your point, but what does this have to do with poker? In prison with the regular daily routine the short-term luck factor has to be small. While in poker, the short-term luck factor (which we measure by the standard deviation) is large. This makes prison and poker very different.

Best wishes to your friend and hope he's now able to live a good life.

Mason

https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/2...aking-1249403/

Sauce put more effort into making a fair staking system with fair incentives than these 3/4 of coaches put into their entire product.

If you think about it in terms of luck and standard deviation I’m not sure. As a prison daily routine would be run it course over a day. If their sentence was 10 years and they had to continue to be good in prison then they would get their sentence reduced. The daily routines helped correct offenders in a way would increase their luck to reduce offending simply be on good behaviour during their daily routines. Their variance would be daily there would be a new person trying to sell them drugs, trying to pay them money to do something dodgy. Would this be an example of standard deviation in this spot?

If your expected value as a sentence is serving 7 out of the 10 years (factoring in your current state), if you’re good then it’s likely the sentence is reduced and your expected value as a person increases and then your sentence would be reduced.

After reading your post I was genuinely stumped until I actually had a think about it. I will grab your book because I genuinely want to see your opinion in a different light. Maybe I’m completely off the track here.

I ran way below EV in prison, got shanked weekly

But did he coach privately before running a stable? That’s the key point I think that you may be missing here in my opinion. I think the road to a successful stable you need to coach for a long period of time to learn to manage/work with a team.

But yes overall that would inhabit a more successful coaching background. So you may say it’s better for a small takes grinder to purchase coaching from a stable that also backs players.

Don’t forget about rape. It’s no cakewalk. And good luck finding cute animal videos.

Yeah I didn’t want to go into the times I got one outed

Alright I’ll bite. Come on scotch give us your take on this.

I hope everyone except myself loses a lot of money in poker

I've spent a lot of time thinking about how the standard deviation occurs in real life. See my book (written with co-author Antonio Carrasco) History of the World from a Gambler's Perspective and my conclusion is that the short-term luck factor in life when compared to the expectation is small. This makes life much different from poker.

Mason

ive always been of the mindset that the truly elite dont teach. They're to busy doing. Like the old saying goes those that cant teach. Most not all teachers in poker like in any walk of life are people who the game has passed by or people who were never good in the first place but are very good at convincing folks they know their **** The customer also shoulders some of the blame. If you have a head like a rock the best teacher in the world want help. So if your coach hasn't made you a crusher in your preferred stakes. Ask yourself have you actually absorbed their advice or you like all those asses i see on YT vids who argue through the entire lesson

Hi dude:

I agree with what you're saying, but it doesn't mean there aren't some excellent coaches out there. However, when I get to see videos of the great Michael Jordan I can't help but wonder why someone would think this has much (if anything) to do with poker.

Mason

I found through my one coaching experience and numerous poker discussions with friends/fellow pros that I can articulate a variety of levels of poker strategy depending on the audience. I think I can teach just about anyone who is willing to learn. But I found I cannot teach them how to not tilt. If I could convey that information I’d single-handedly destroy the games forever. But no one has that magic elixir.

You may want to get a copy of my book Real Poker Psychology - Expanded Edition. You can find it here:

https://www.amazon.com/Real-Poker-Ps...8680117&sr=1-6

One of the chapters is titled "A Mathematical Model of "Tilt" -- Cause and Cure.

Mason

Cute. Animal. Videos.

I believe that it was an Instagram short that Dylan posted a few weeks ago, where he commented that he was on a big downswing.

I kind of see your point. But it isn't about that you necessarily need to coach for a long time. I think a lot of these cfps that demand deposits and force you to play on affiliated sites are somewhere in between a ponzi and a affiliation company. Clearly a lot of these stables with hundreds of students only have malicious intentions that are driven by greed. There is no way these guys think they can deliver the very best coaching product while working with hundreds of students. I think from running a stable for a decade, and also just watching other stables really that having a connection/friendship with your students is key. If you have 100 students (or more) they are clearly just a number to you. And the fact you make them deposit when they are applying for a job is borderline a joke.

Yeah a friend of mine got absolutely wrecked by a student, after a year they charged back. Tried to extort the company after busting his bankroll. Guy ended up being charged with fraud as it was found he did it with a few different coaching groups. Luckily they had evidence supporting everything otherwise he would have been dead in the water. I think that’s why those cfps require a deposit, in the event of students running off with the bank roll it elevates some risk factor.

It's a risk from both parties though, the whole point with CFP (from my view) is that the company/coach shouldn't make money unless the student does. It isn't supposed to be risk free for the company. Since poker detox was brought up, they take something along the lines as 60% of all the profits, you would think the risk of them getting scammed should be factored in here given how absurd that split is. I still don't see how it's different from a non poker company employing a person and charging a deposit. In that case there is still the possibility of the employee swindling in some way, stealing intellectual property or physical things. The player clearly puts in trust into you/your company by signing a long contract, why shouldn't the trust go both ways?