This website has been purchased by us. What is the future of 2+2?
07-23-2021
, 05:51 PM
07-23-2021
, 06:13 PM
07-23-2021
, 08:05 PM
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Well hello there.
I am a HS MTT player with some thoughts that could be useless, we'll see.
I tried reaching out to new owners directly but I am sure they are overwhelmed so here goes this attempt.
I spent 10 minutes on the title but honestly, there isn't much thought behind the rest.
Let's call this an annoyed rant disguised as an attempt of trying to do some good.
Here is how this moment started :
I am not blaming my bar or alcohol, it's just that it gives fuel to my opinions. As mentioned, this is an opinion so I could be wrong.
Let us begin.
So i went through the thread where a new management is announced. Like many, I was sort of excited. I mean no insult to the previous owners/management but I simply believe that the times have drastically changed and something had to be adjusted. Mason and his team has done an amazing job growing this community but I personally believe there was a lot more negatives than positives that came out of this community. Simply said, scams/****ed up stories gained more clicks than good deeds.
When I joined 2+2 in ~2009, it was where EVERYTHING poker happened.
Thanks to 2+2, I learned a lot about strategy. I sold some action to investors and made them some money. I met new friends and got to travel with them. Shoutout to Horveech, I miss you, I hope you are enjoying space. RIP.
Then slowly, everything disappeared. The marketplace died, NVG became less relevant and strategy subs just came to a halt. 2+2 did not do anything wrong ,but they did not try to change and do anything right either.
As social media grew and specifically Twitch , 2+2 was no where to be found. No active twitter , no active facebook , and barely any support for twitch channels. This is very important since clearly Twitch became a key introduction point to any form of strategy game to viewers.
This kept 2+2 the same , which was sort of a good thing but only to it's existing members. This is exactly why you do not see new young users in here because no one really goes on a forum anymore. This does not mean 2+2 cannot be changed to appeal to both markets.
If the new owners want to grow this site again, they need to embrace the old and the new. 2+2 has a unique brand opportunity but it is useless if it stays in the stone age. A lot of threads in here are extremely informative and can allow others to change their lives. They just need to know about it.
Now I will get a bit personal. I have always checked NVG, MTT community, InternetPoker at least 3 times a week for the last 12 years. I was just always curious. I always struggled between become a "PRO" and keeping this as a hobby. I like to think that i know my self well so I decided at some point that being a pro is out the question. My addiction of caring for others made it hard for me to be self-centered and grind like crazy for my wellbeing. I do not know how this developed but it was not always like that.
With that being said, I was still a sunday battler in MTT's and occasional random weekday player. I was full time in school, working 10$/hr jobs and I would still load up sunday sessions for 3-5k buyins somehow. Eventually this hobby started paying off in some sorts. I did well for a while and realized I am very fortunate to have developed this talent. Looking back, It was due to 2+2 , CMU , PTP and other poker forums.
This is where my epiphany comes from.
If you want to grow Poker, you need to build a positive community behind it.
Right now , Poker community is plagued with a lot of negative stories but it does not talk about a lot of good things. A lot of streamers/players out there are pledging profits to charity. Shootout to RomeoPro for doing his MTT drive a while ago and inspiring me to the same.
REG charity at some point was doing amazing stuff but sadly seem to have stopped now. However they never got any recognition on here... It was backed by Liv Boeree, Igor Kurganov, Phil Gruissem, Martin Jacobson, Erik Seidel, Bonomo and the list goes on.
I have also personally done my own charity drive and posted on here in some subforums, donating 15000$ so far in a month while live streaming it on Twitch. Mostly I pledged profits but a few times I just gave away % of any cash which is the same as "burning money" as some may say. As a semi-boomer, this was hard for me honestly but I loved every moment of it. I doubt I got even 5 people from 2+2 interested out of it. I did not do it to gain traction but simply to change how things are done in our community.
I do not see why player X cannot use their skill to make money off of a willing opponent who still has a chance to beat you. Then player X does some good in his community in anyway or form.
Poker players are not all scumbags, they are not all thieves and liars. We are just naturally more interested in those stories than the good ones.
A lot of people wonder why our community does not grow. Some say it is because poker players " abuse " fish and take advantage of them. Then you could apply the same exact logic to any tournament format where the top players take advantage of others. Tennis, Golf and chess. They are not identical but somewhat similar.
To the new owners, if you want to revive this site, please focus on the positives and bring a new generation in that will embrace the history of 2+2.
There are many trolls and negative people out there and I hold no judgement against them. I believe everyone has their own ****ed up reason for being the way they are but I also believe everyone is capable of having some good in them.
If you are going to troll this thread , go right ahead but please read it again and re-consider your option. 2+2 and the poker community can be a positive thing even if the majority of people are looking to self-enrich.
Special shoutout to Blakman08 and Slayervfan1 who shared their lives on 2+2 and inspired others to follow the Poker/MTT dream. I thank you and many like you for putting yourselves out there. It truly got me to where I am now in life and convinced me to give back to the community.
I am a HS MTT player with some thoughts that could be useless, we'll see.
I tried reaching out to new owners directly but I am sure they are overwhelmed so here goes this attempt.
I spent 10 minutes on the title but honestly, there isn't much thought behind the rest.
Let's call this an annoyed rant disguised as an attempt of trying to do some good.
Here is how this moment started :
I am not blaming my bar or alcohol, it's just that it gives fuel to my opinions. As mentioned, this is an opinion so I could be wrong.
Let us begin.
So i went through the thread where a new management is announced. Like many, I was sort of excited. I mean no insult to the previous owners/management but I simply believe that the times have drastically changed and something had to be adjusted. Mason and his team has done an amazing job growing this community but I personally believe there was a lot more negatives than positives that came out of this community. Simply said, scams/****ed up stories gained more clicks than good deeds.
When I joined 2+2 in ~2009, it was where EVERYTHING poker happened.
Thanks to 2+2, I learned a lot about strategy. I sold some action to investors and made them some money. I met new friends and got to travel with them. Shoutout to Horveech, I miss you, I hope you are enjoying space. RIP.
Then slowly, everything disappeared. The marketplace died, NVG became less relevant and strategy subs just came to a halt. 2+2 did not do anything wrong ,but they did not try to change and do anything right either.
As social media grew and specifically Twitch , 2+2 was no where to be found. No active twitter , no active facebook , and barely any support for twitch channels. This is very important since clearly Twitch became a key introduction point to any form of strategy game to viewers.
This kept 2+2 the same , which was sort of a good thing but only to it's existing members. This is exactly why you do not see new young users in here because no one really goes on a forum anymore. This does not mean 2+2 cannot be changed to appeal to both markets.
If the new owners want to grow this site again, they need to embrace the old and the new. 2+2 has a unique brand opportunity but it is useless if it stays in the stone age. A lot of threads in here are extremely informative and can allow others to change their lives. They just need to know about it.
Now I will get a bit personal. I have always checked NVG, MTT community, InternetPoker at least 3 times a week for the last 12 years. I was just always curious. I always struggled between become a "PRO" and keeping this as a hobby. I like to think that i know my self well so I decided at some point that being a pro is out the question. My addiction of caring for others made it hard for me to be self-centered and grind like crazy for my wellbeing. I do not know how this developed but it was not always like that.
With that being said, I was still a sunday battler in MTT's and occasional random weekday player. I was full time in school, working 10$/hr jobs and I would still load up sunday sessions for 3-5k buyins somehow. Eventually this hobby started paying off in some sorts. I did well for a while and realized I am very fortunate to have developed this talent. Looking back, It was due to 2+2 , CMU , PTP and other poker forums.
This is where my epiphany comes from.
If you want to grow Poker, you need to build a positive community behind it.
Right now , Poker community is plagued with a lot of negative stories but it does not talk about a lot of good things. A lot of streamers/players out there are pledging profits to charity. Shootout to RomeoPro for doing his MTT drive a while ago and inspiring me to the same.
REG charity at some point was doing amazing stuff but sadly seem to have stopped now. However they never got any recognition on here... It was backed by Liv Boeree, Igor Kurganov, Phil Gruissem, Martin Jacobson, Erik Seidel, Bonomo and the list goes on.
I have also personally done my own charity drive and posted on here in some subforums, donating 15000$ so far in a month while live streaming it on Twitch. Mostly I pledged profits but a few times I just gave away % of any cash which is the same as "burning money" as some may say. As a semi-boomer, this was hard for me honestly but I loved every moment of it. I doubt I got even 5 people from 2+2 interested out of it. I did not do it to gain traction but simply to change how things are done in our community.
I do not see why player X cannot use their skill to make money off of a willing opponent who still has a chance to beat you. Then player X does some good in his community in anyway or form.
Poker players are not all scumbags, they are not all thieves and liars. We are just naturally more interested in those stories than the good ones.
A lot of people wonder why our community does not grow. Some say it is because poker players " abuse " fish and take advantage of them. Then you could apply the same exact logic to any tournament format where the top players take advantage of others. Tennis, Golf and chess. They are not identical but somewhat similar.
To the new owners, if you want to revive this site, please focus on the positives and bring a new generation in that will embrace the history of 2+2.
There are many trolls and negative people out there and I hold no judgement against them. I believe everyone has their own ****ed up reason for being the way they are but I also believe everyone is capable of having some good in them.
If you are going to troll this thread , go right ahead but please read it again and re-consider your option. 2+2 and the poker community can be a positive thing even if the majority of people are looking to self-enrich.
Special shoutout to Blakman08 and Slayervfan1 who shared their lives on 2+2 and inspired others to follow the Poker/MTT dream. I thank you and many like you for putting yourselves out there. It truly got me to where I am now in life and convinced me to give back to the community.
So you deleted this as a thread of it's own and moved it here?
I do not understand why since it was aimed to start a discussion about improving the Poker community. It's not something specifically tied to this thread.
But hey , you do you. Keep NVG full of 5-6 threads about scams/cheating on the first page, and merge/delete any threads that are trying to change the status quo. I can see why you think this should have been moved but you just made sure the discussion ( improving poker community) completely dies.
No wonder why 2+2 is dying, not only do people seem to be attracted more to negative stories, but the Mods even do their best to make sure it's all the viewers are seeing.
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