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Old 07-15-2021, 03:30 PM   #1
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This website has been purchased by us. What is the future of 2+2?


The new 2+2 owners: Andrew to the left, Max to the right. Thailand, 2019.

A Brand-New Era Begins

Hello! My name is Andrew, and together with my partner in crime, Max, who is, by the way, a professional high-stakes poker player, we are the new owners of 2+2.
Just to be clear, I’m a poker pro myself . . . but not as close to the top of the food chain as Max (since I’ve switched to tech).

We would like to start off with an enormous thank you to Mason and his team. Mason’s work as an author is impressive, and his contribution to popularizing poker worldwide cannot be denied. Undoubtedly, he’s helped to shape pro players for generations to come.

Now we would like to share the key components of our vision:

- In the years to come, we are going to build an AI-powered forum platform for the future and host it on twoplustwo.com (instead of forumserver.twoplustwo.com).
- We don’t intend to make radical changes to the current forum (design, etc.) in the short term. We subscribe to the adage that one needn’t fix what isn’t broken.
- We’ll focus on building an international community of professional poker players.
- We’ll also focus on user growth.
- We’ll furthermore address the problem of strict moderation and bans.
- We’ll always prioritize user experience over mere profits.

You may have noticed already, but the banner ads are gone. The reason they are gone is simple: we asked ourselves, “Is this something that helps the community in any way? Is it something that users would need or want?” That said, it wasn’t a very difficult decision. In fact, we bought this website just to take down its banners on the first day

Other changes are soon to follow. Most of the marketplace forums will become free for everybody, and most of the restrictions that are currently in place will be lifted. The goal is to create something similar to what we currently have with software forums, but for coaching, schools, staking, poker rooms, and other marketplaces.

We aim to make 2+2 the most powerful and well-recognized community of poker professionals on the internet. We want people who aren’t even familiar with poker to know that the most intelligent community is 2+2. We want Quora to envy our community and realize that what they have is tragically inferior. For that to happen, a lot of work has to be done, and let me tell you: we’re gonna work our asses off twelve hours a day, every day—no holidays—and do so for the foreseeable future. Yes, it’s a battle, and we will be the winners.

We value live poker players as much as we value online players, and we want all players to enjoy 2+2 for decades to come.

As I am also a founder of Hand2Note Poker HUD, I would like to clarify that 2+2 will never become a marketing ground for said product. We aren’t going to interfere with our competitors HM/PT.

We recognize moderators’ enormous value to the community. We know how hard they have to work. With new technologies like machine learning and AI, we will try to greatly decrease the amount of routine (read: boring) tasks that they need to perform, and hopefully, in doing so, we’ll make their lives a little bit better. Max and I have also noted a power mismatch between regular users and moderators/owners. As such, we’re planning to discuss this issue with the community and remedy it however possible. What do you think about unbanning all banned users btw?

We are going to manually pick users with the most influence on the website and invite them into a private discord channel. However, the public Discord channel is available for everyone and you are welcome to join 2+2 Discord.

Here are some next vital steps:

- Remove all banner ads (done).
- Lift most of the restrictions in our marketplace forums, making them free of charge.
- Encourage companies, coaches, and others to post about themselves, their products, and their services for free.
- Gather feedback about the forum and analyze this data.
- Revise our ban policy.
- Grow our social network channels.

Join our social networks to pinpoint the most interesting threads from 2+2 and have a discussion in a relaxed setting:

- Join 2+2 Facebook group.
- Follow 2+2 on Twitter.
- Enter 2+2 Discord Server. I suggest you make the same nickname in Discord as one on this website.
- Join 2+2 Telegram Channel.

Let us make important decisions together and forge a brighter future. Go to this topic What would you change on 2+2? and give us your feedback about the website today!

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Old 07-15-2021, 03:37 PM   #2
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Re: This website has been purchased by us. What is the future of 2+2?

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Old 07-15-2021, 03:42 PM   #3
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Old 07-15-2021, 03:44 PM   #4
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Re: This website has been purchased by us. What is the future of 2+2?

A new era for 2+2 is here -- welcome aboard, Andrew & Max! Looking forward to seeing what changes the future holds
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Old 07-15-2021, 03:59 PM   #5
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Re: This website has been purchased by us. What is the future of 2+2?

Congratulations on this purchase, I'm looking forward to seeing this place get a facelift! 2+2 has always been the de facto poker community, and I think with a few design changes it could see huge growth.

There are some usability issued that might need to be addressed down the road. For example, uploading pictures is a pain, and the SEO is really bad so threads don't show up well in google searches. There are also several near-dead subforums that should probably be consolidated.

As far as unbanning everyone... On the one hand I think that there are a few bad apples that can ruin it for everyone. On the other hand, if someone really wants to post all they have to do is make a new account, so I don't think lifting bans will have a big effect either way. I think a more impactful change would be a better way to classify reputable users, although the current year/post count method is still good.

I like that you're expanding the social media presence, the discord channel especially. I think a lot of poker communities have moved to discord, and it's surprising that 2+2 hasn't already made a channel.

I like the idea of opening up the marketplace. A free market is a strong market. Buyer beware. It's also important to maintain that separation of church and state between H2N and 2+2, and I appreciate that you've taken a stance on this from the get-go. Also like that the banner ads are gone.

Do you plan to make any aesthetic changes? Maybe a forum that looks like it was designed this decade? The current design looks quite dated, though I'm not sure if this falls under the "if it ain't broke don't fix it" policy.
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Old 07-15-2021, 04:00 PM   #6
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Re: This website has been purchased by us. What is the future of 2+2?

Sounds an awful lot like the new owners are previously banned posters.
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Old 07-15-2021, 04:02 PM   #7
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Re: This website has been purchased by us. What is the future of 2+2?

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Hello! My name is Andrew, and together with my partner in crime, Max, who is, by the way, a professional high-stakes poker player, we are the new owners of 2+2.
Welcome

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We aim to make 2+2 the most powerful and well-recognized community of poker professionals on the internet.
Is it not already?

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We’ll always prioritize user experience over mere profits.


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the banner ads are gone


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We’ll furthermore address the problem of strict moderation and bans.
I'm not sure its a "problem" as much as a style choice.

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What do you think about unbanning all banned users btw?
Please no!
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Old 07-15-2021, 04:07 PM   #8
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What do you think about unbanning all banned users btw?

Free Limon!


Welcome! GL with the site!
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Old 07-15-2021, 04:10 PM   #9
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Re: This website has been purchased by us. What is the future of 2+2?

Welcome!

I hope the future of 2+2 includes a new Economics Forum!
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Old 07-15-2021, 04:13 PM   #10
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Re: This website has been purchased by us. What is the future of 2+2?

So what's the catch?
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Old 07-15-2021, 04:17 PM   #11
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Re: This website has been purchased by us. What is the future of 2+2?

Feel like to keep some continuity, Andrii should address us as

Hi Thread:

and sign it ...

Best wishes,
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Old 07-15-2021, 04:21 PM   #12
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free at last free at last. I for one second the suggestion of an economics forum.
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Old 07-15-2021, 04:23 PM   #13
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Re: This website has been purchased by us. What is the future of 2+2?

One of the Sklansky twins once promised me hot lesbians as moderators, is this something you will look into, and possibly make happen?
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Old 07-15-2021, 04:42 PM   #14
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Re: This website has been purchased by us. What is the future of 2+2?

How do you plan to monetise the site?
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Old 07-15-2021, 04:52 PM   #15
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I was under a troll contract with the previous ownership.


Are my services still required? If my $3.50 asking price is too high for you guys then let me know via PM. Thanks.
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Old 07-15-2021, 04:56 PM   #16
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RIP our banners I guess lol
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Old 07-15-2021, 05:15 PM   #17
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Nice to meet you guys. Please keep the glorious history in mind .
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Old 07-15-2021, 05:38 PM   #18
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Re: This website has been purchased by us. What is the future of 2+2?

Hi Everyone:

In my initial post in the thread announcing the sale of this website, I wrote:

So, when the offer came in to sell the site to new younger people who are on top of all the latest programming technology and who should have the ability to make this site better than it ever was, we felt that the time was right and would be best for everyone, including those of you who are members of the Two Plus Two Community.

I think that you can see by Andrew's opening post that that process is now underway. I believe that in time, and it may not take that long, twoplustwo.com will be bigger and better than it ever was. So, let's all support our new owners and help them whenever we can.

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Old 07-15-2021, 05:39 PM   #19
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RIP our banners I guess lol
i challenge you to a heads up AD battle and to sweeten the deal ill spot you 9 ads per 100


come at me bro
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Old 07-15-2021, 05:43 PM   #20
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I’m here for the Free Limon rally
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Old 07-15-2021, 05:57 PM   #21
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What do you think about unbanning all banned users btw?
this would not be wise

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Old 07-15-2021, 05:59 PM   #22
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White guys who travel to Thailand for "girlfriends" always rubbed me the wrong way.
But like you said you're "partners in crime"
Best of luck making money off this site, I'll see my way out.
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Old 07-15-2021, 06:03 PM   #23
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Good Luck.

How are you going to pay the bills?
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Old 07-15-2021, 06:12 PM   #24
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Seems like a great idea!
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Old 07-15-2021, 06:16 PM   #25
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Seems like a great idea!
If you want to open the floodgates for Russian and Indian spambots. Might as well delete the banned IP list as well
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