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Old 05-01-2015, 03:05 PM   #976
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Re: WCGRider, Dong Kim, Jason Les and Bjorn Li to play against a new HU bot

I cheated in a prop bet once five years ago, got caught, people were paid back whatever they were owed, and I've paid and am still paying for my mistakes.

Thanks for understanding

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Old 05-01-2015, 03:11 PM   #977
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I cheated in a prop bet once five years ago, got caught, people were paid back whatever they were owed, and I've paid and am still paying for my mistakes.

Thanks for understanding

- Bjorn
Quick and to-the-point response.

Good luck against the bot.
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Old 05-01-2015, 03:13 PM   #978
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Re: WCGRider, Dong Kim, Jason Les and Bjorn Li to play against a new HU bot

Yes, good answer Bjorn. Good luck.
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Old 05-01-2015, 03:30 PM   #979
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Re: WCGRider, Dong Kim, Jason Les and Bjorn Li to play against a new HU bot

Dong 4bets aa, cbets flop J9x, turn J dong checks back, river Q, dong checks back. Bot shows k9hh.

Dong obviously tanked for some time debating whether to vbet river or not. I thought it had to be a vbet but a better player than I decided against it. Thoughts?
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Old 05-01-2015, 04:04 PM   #980
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I actually attended the final World Cyber Games of which Warcraft 3 was still included in the lineup of games. My little brother competed and got 4th hungover and I went down to Universal Studios with some friends to hang out for the weekend where it was being held. Best game ever behind maybe SC1 and counter-strike. Anyone wants to get rolled by steam tanks, invis morts, zepps, or get a couple AT games in pm me. Been at least a year since i've played but if a group wants to get together for some money games or something that could be cool. Garena or something.

Ok back to the topic.
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Old 05-01-2015, 04:06 PM   #981
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Re: WCGRider, Dong Kim, Jason Les and Bjorn Li to play against a new HU bot

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Old 05-01-2015, 04:12 PM   #982
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Is Bjorn allowed to play on FTP or is he barred from that as well?
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Old 05-01-2015, 04:13 PM   #983
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It's gotta be a spot where he is close to indifferent to bet or check with AA imo.

Remember you can never bet with a wider range than you would call a bet in position. AA is basically always just a call vs a normal size bet otr, and call/fold vs overbet.

For it to be a valuebet he needs to get called over 50% of the time by worse. Here it makes a lot of sense for the bot to check a whole bunch of his strong value hands since SB's range is quite polar, and the bot has a lot of fullhouse/trips and weak bluffcatchers but hardly any air at all (what hand has he called flop that is air otr?).
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Old 05-01-2015, 04:20 PM   #984
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Is Bjorn allowed to play on FTP or is he barred from that as well?
This is now a "who cares?" situation.

He addressed it directly both just above (immediately) and in the original thread.

He has also made amends to those involved with this 5 years ago. Let the man grind in peace and admire that he was able to raise himself up from such a low to one of the top HU players in the world. If you want some collective pound-of-flesh from him, watch his stream and take from it improvements to your own game.
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Old 05-01-2015, 04:28 PM   #985
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I cheated in a prop bet once five years ago, got caught, people were paid back whatever they were owed, and I've paid and am still paying for my mistakes.

Thanks for understanding

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This is now a "who cares?" situation.

He addressed it directly both just above (immediately) and in the original thread.

He has also made amends to those involved with this 5 years ago. Let the man grind in peace and admire that he was able to raise himself up from such a low to one of the top HU players in the world. If you want some collective pound-of-flesh from him, watch his stream and take from it improvements to your own game.
Yet ever since, he's worn that Location that he has like a badge of honor. Despite his words in public, it's almost like he's proud of what he did. Forever a piece of trash.

edit: subsequent posts by him about it confirmed that he wasn't really ashamed of it. just look at his posting history for the year or two after it happened.
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Old 05-01-2015, 04:38 PM   #986
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I'm more interested in how he managed to arrive at Gary Neville, one of the more mundane possible choices at the time
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Old 05-01-2015, 05:01 PM   #987
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Yet ever since, he's worn that Location that he has like a badge of honor. Despite his words in public, it's almost like he's proud of what he did. Forever a piece of trash.

edit: subsequent posts by him about it confirmed that he wasn't really ashamed of it. just look at his posting history for the year or two after it happened.
maybe it's more of a scarlet letter scenario
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Old 05-01-2015, 05:19 PM   #988
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Re: WCGRider, Dong Kim, Jason Les and Bjorn Li to play against a new HU bot

The just call with 35 on 33258 (3bet pf, k/c, k/c, k/c) is nonsense and very weird. Even convergence problems can not be a reasonable excuse here.
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Old 05-01-2015, 05:20 PM   #989
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Are the numbers they have on the stream the daily totals or for the whole thing?
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Old 05-01-2015, 05:21 PM   #990
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non-stop this followed by using the back of his hand and fingers for extra mucus absorbtion :< they cant move the cam back?
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Old 05-01-2015, 05:28 PM   #991
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This is now a "who cares?" situation.

He addressed it directly both just above (immediately) and in the original thread.
Uh what? I'm not asking as a "let's hang Bjorn", just wanted to know if he is able to play on FTP or whether the ban included both sites. He didn't address it above.

I was asking to know if we could ever see a WCG vs flushie battle in the future.
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Old 05-01-2015, 07:19 PM   #992
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Re: WCGRider, Dong Kim, Jason Les and Bjorn Li to play against a new HU bot

Were the stations off the floor today? It might be +EV for the programmers to introduce more distractions and chaos, a la balloon boy, at this point.
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Old 05-01-2015, 08:43 PM   #993
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First and foremost, I was asked to put that up as my Location by a mod. Secondly, I don't think I need to address my past mistakes whenever I make a post, if you think that's an indicator of my lack of shame. Thirdly, I love playing poker and have since that day been an upstanding citizen in the poker world as many people can attest to. Lastly, you don't know me at all so you should think twice before you make such a post.

This will be the last time I address this topic.

I will also neither confirm or deny that I am flushie.

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Old 05-01-2015, 09:14 PM   #994
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non-stop this followed by using the back of his hand and fingers for extra mucus absorbtion :< they cant move the cam back?
I'm having a lot of allergy problems here in Pittsburgh
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Old 05-01-2015, 09:46 PM   #995
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dont understand why you think hes wearing it as a badge of honor.

I understand not liking him, but badge of honor?
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Old 05-01-2015, 09:53 PM   #996
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I'm having a lot of allergy problems here in Pittsburgh
Bot sent out nanobots to infiltrate cheet's blood stream.

It may look and feel like allergies, but it is far, far worse.
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Old 05-01-2015, 09:57 PM   #997
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Re: WCGRider, Dong Kim, Jason Les and Bjorn Li to play against a new HU bot

I will also neither confirm or deny that I am flushie.

Last edited by COG; 05-01-2015 at 09:58 PM. Reason: Good luck humans
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Old 05-01-2015, 09:59 PM   #998
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First and foremost, I was asked to put that up as my Location by a mod. Secondly, I don't think I need to address my past mistakes whenever I make a post, if you think that's an indicator of my lack of shame. Thirdly, I love playing poker and have since that day been an upstanding citizen in the poker world as many people can attest to. Lastly, you don't know me at all so you should think twice before you make such a post.

This will be the last time I address this topic.

I will also neither confirm or deny that I am flushie.
Bjorn, I actually respect the way you have addressed the matter earlier and now again (including continuing to post under a recognized name and with that "location").

I am all about giving second chances to those that seem contrite about their mistakes and you certainly do in my books. Whatever negatives were associated with any of you in the past, this stream has done a great deal to improve your images as personable people that are passionate about poker. Keep up the great work at improving yourself and your game.

Good luck.
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Old 05-01-2015, 10:08 PM   #999
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Re: WCGRider, Dong Kim, Jason Les and Bjorn Li to play against a new HU bot

I also can confirm that I am either flushie or I am not.
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Old 05-01-2015, 10:11 PM   #1000
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same same
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