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Old 04-21-2015, 12:30 PM   #76
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Re: WCGRider and Dong Kim to play against a new HU bot

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I'm all in on WCG and Big Dick Donger.
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Old 04-21-2015, 01:26 PM   #77
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I hope they're getting payed top dollars to do this. Several times their usual playing hourly or this is really dumb. But poker players many times only think short term and have big egos. So they always get exploited in the game of life many times over.
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Old 04-21-2015, 01:36 PM   #78
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Overrated
Dumb comment. The pecking order in NLHU is fairly concrete. If X player thinks he has an edge on Y player and Y player disagrees they will battle. If one of them thinks the other is better they won't play. How much NLHU action does WCG get these days?
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Old 04-21-2015, 01:42 PM   #79
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Man vs. Machine: Four Poker Pros Scheduled to Play Heads-Up against Computer Program 'Claudico'

Two-Week Long Human vs. AI Game to be Lived-Streamed at 'Poker Night in America' Website and Broadcast Later on CBS Sports Network.

Source: Nolan Dalla. http://www.nolandalla.com/man-vs-mac...or-a-computer/
what game?
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Old 04-21-2015, 02:42 PM   #80
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what game?
HU NLH, obv.
Four humans (including the two named in the thread title) will be playing for two weeks against the bot.
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Old 04-21-2015, 03:08 PM   #81
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Re: WCGRider and Dong Kim to play against a new HU bot

HU NL bots in their current come close to beating .50$/$1 HU Reg, let alone some of the best HU Players in the world.

Will revisit in 5 years .
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Old 04-21-2015, 03:14 PM   #82
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Re: WCGRider and Dong Kim to play against a new HU bot

Maybe you shouldn't have dropped out of college.
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Old 04-21-2015, 04:25 PM   #83
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wrong thread oops
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Old 04-21-2015, 06:57 PM   #84
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Dumb comment. The pecking order in NLHU is fairly concrete. If X player thinks he has an edge on Y player and Y player disagrees they will battle. If one of them thinks the other is better they won't play. How much NLHU action does WCG get these days?
No, I'm correct
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Old 04-21-2015, 09:02 PM   #85
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incomprehensible that top players have an intellectual interest in the game of nlhu and would like to be a part of the very exciting march towards ever closer to GTO strategies, just disregarding the very small if any effects on their bottom line

i for one don't get it
Its game over soon anyways so we might just all go ahead and try help solving games which arent solved yet

[spoiler]kind rgds from teh TimStone[/spoiler]
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Old 04-21-2015, 09:17 PM   #86
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Who the hell cares whether you guys think it's a good idea or not. "WCG gonna hurt his bottom line IMO.. What possible motivation do these two have for doing this? Only gonna give up free info"

Obviously WCG and his crew have thought of every possible thing you low level scrubs have already thought of (pros and cons) and came out deciding that its +ev in whatever way so they're going to do it

So throw your garbage low level 1 analysis of the effects of this event taking place out the window and stop posting
Angry much?
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Old 04-21-2015, 09:36 PM   #87
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Re: WCGRider and Dong Kim to play against a new HU bot

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HU NL bots in their current come close to beating .50$/$1 HU Reg, let alone some of the best HU Players in the world.

Will revisit in 5 years .
I think you're confusing the bots that people actually can use on shady sites with the ones in question which are substantially better and would almost certainly destroy 100NL regs.

If I had any money it'd be on the bot.
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Old 04-21-2015, 10:31 PM   #88
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article down, did it say who the other 2 players were?

given they are playing vs bot for 2 weeks its pretty damn likely they are getting paid good $$$ for this.
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Old 04-21-2015, 11:12 PM   #89
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fate of the future in doug's hands, if he fails and skynet goes online it's GG all of us.

p.s. if you're complaining about pros teaching the computer what to do just lol stop it

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Old 04-22-2015, 03:00 AM   #90
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HU NL bots in their current come close to beating .50$/$1 HU Reg, let alone some of the best HU Players in the world.

Will revisit in 5 years .
ship it holla bolla andrew robl has spoken. Say hi to tony G for me
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Old 04-22-2015, 03:11 PM   #91
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Good to see you good2cu... I miss Robl
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Old 04-23-2015, 02:39 AM   #92
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HU NL bots in their current come close to beating .50$/$1 HU Reg, let alone some of the best HU Players in the world.

Will revisit in 5 years .
flops are virtually solved in minutes on a laptop and you think it will take 5 years for a supercomputer to beat a human ?
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Old 04-23-2015, 02:54 AM   #93
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Old 04-23-2015, 03:03 AM   #94
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flops are virtually solved in minutes on a laptop and you think it will take 5 years for a supercomputer to beat a human ?
Get big company to fund/sponsor it and hire 3-5 scientist and poker will be dead in 2-3 years.
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Old 04-23-2015, 04:38 AM   #95
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Re: WCGRider and Dong Kim to play against a new HU bot

i heard eskobar has tatoos

fees and crew do not tho
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Old 04-23-2015, 04:56 AM   #96
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I think you're confusing the bots that people actually can use on shady sites with the ones in question which are substantially better and would almost certainly destroy 100NL regs.

If I had any money it'd be on the bot.
We need no explanation as to why this is the case if you think the bot is the right side here.
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Old 04-23-2015, 04:58 AM   #97
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flops are virtually solved in minutes on a laptop and you think it will take 5 years for a supercomputer to beat a human ?
flops are "solved" at HUNL huh? Ok, if you say so.
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Old 04-23-2015, 05:32 AM   #98
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Re: WCGRider and Dong Kim to play against a new HU bot

Don't worry, fear not. If bots solve the game we can just have a photo verification bot protector pop up between every hand we play. It won't be annoying at all.

I joined a certain forum yesterday and had the most LOL set of verification questions before I could sign up.

Forum Verification


The second last letter of the alphabet? :
Valentine's Day is in which month? :
Odd one out: Hearts, Spades, Clubs, Diamonds, Sausages:
Sean Connery, Roger Moore, Daniel Craig, Pierce Brosnan. :
At what number does the British Prime Minister live?:

Felt I needed some AI to solve those alone as my intelligence wasn't up to it without needing 6 attempts. Oh wait a minute.. AI be solving those verifications way faster than me.. sigh.
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Old 04-23-2015, 05:49 AM   #99
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flops are "solved" at HUNL huh? Ok, if you say so.
I guess you haven't been keeping up with the latest poker software developments. If you input starting ranges into apps like GTORB, PioSolver or 'Simple PostFlop', and provide some standard bet-sizes and actions, solutions that are incredibly close to the Nash Equilibrium are provided.
Fortunately, there are around 22,000 possible flops, so it's quite hard for a human to remember every solution perfectly, which means your opponents will still make many mistakes. But for computers that have already computed the solutions, recalling them is trivial. Ask Siri.
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Old 04-23-2015, 05:53 AM   #100
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We need no explanation as to why this is the case if you think the bot is the right side here.
Not quite. I'm a student who doesn't have much time for poker with relatively high outgoings for someone in my position.

Let's put it this way. IIRC one of the selling points for Snowie a couple of years ago was that it competed decently well with jungleman who beat it over a small sample but struggled. Snowie has gotten better since then, but the bots from the competition - especially Tartanian - would still completely obliterate it.

Note: because I didn't get to read the original article before it was taken offline and I'm going off what was said in this thread, I could be wrong about my assumption that this is the best NLHU bot in the world. If it's just some marketing ploy for a Snowie competitor then yes, I think the smart money's on the humans.
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