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Old 04-29-2015, 06:09 AM   #776
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Re: WCGRider, Dong Kim, Jason Les and Bjorn Li to play against a new HU bot

I'd like to point out that anyone who has been watching the bot and saying it is bad (as in can't beat low/mid stake bum hunters or even fish) is honestly revealing more about their own badness than the bot's. If you got to watch WCG on twitch as he tooled a 100nl reg on party you would see basically complete control. Relatively easy decisions at all points; looking almost prescient with calls and folds. Pointing out clear leaks regularly and exploiting them. The bot for all it's mistakes and some absurd individual hands that were very questionable that cost it a lot of $ has actually been playing a tough and balanced game in many postflop spots. Shoot that bot runs sicker bluffs than 99% of the field I play..
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Old 04-29-2015, 06:15 AM   #777
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Old 04-29-2015, 06:16 AM   #778
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I'd like to point out that anyone who has been watching the bot and saying it is bad (as in can't beat low/mid stake bum hunters or even fish) is honestly revealing more about their own badness than the bot's. If you got to watch WCG on twitch as he tooled a 100nl reg on party you would see basically complete control. Relatively easy decisions at all points; looking almost prescient with calls and folds. Pointing out clear leaks regularly and exploiting them. The bot for all it's mistakes and some absurd individual hands that were very questionable that cost it a lot of $ has actually been playing a tough and balanced game in many postflop spots. Shoot that bot runs sicker bluffs than 99% of the field I play..
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Old 04-29-2015, 08:01 AM   #779
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Old 04-29-2015, 08:03 AM   #780
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Does anybody know the actual current standings? The Claudico_extra stream has been different each of the 3 times I've checked it today.
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Old 04-29-2015, 08:06 AM   #781
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I took it as it never happened, hypothetical. He would make nl100 regs look ******ed, sauce schooled in several videos a 3/6 regbattler albeit he ran godly in those clips but still he was spot on with the reads from timingtells to pinpointing ranges so Doug vs a NL100 reg would be hysterical.
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Old 04-29-2015, 08:11 AM   #782
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i don't know, its analizing real time as well, not? meanwhile... it can do all the work 24/7 what human brain cannot. there is not enough time between sessions/sleep to really consider the conditions fifty-fifty. 3000 hands is a ton to do the work hand by hand.
You forget that the AI team - which has to discuss possible adjustments of the bot between sessions - is human too, programmers also need to sleep

The "brains" can and will adjust their strategy after every hand they play, if they feel they learned something. The bot will keep its strategy for at least one entire session afaik; the programmers may decide to make changes overnight.
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Old 04-29-2015, 08:49 AM   #783
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Old 04-29-2015, 08:52 AM   #784
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Does anybody know the actual current standings? The Claudico_extra stream has been different each of the 3 times I've checked it today.
it was off, but it seems good now.

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You forget that the AI team - which has to discuss possible adjustments of the bot between sessions - is human too, programmers also need to sleep

The "brains" can and will adjust their strategy after every hand they play, if they feel they learned something. The bot will keep its strategy for at least one entire session afaik; the programmers may decide to make changes overnight.
the AI adjusts itself, thats why they call it that way, its not a strategic robot what they develop session by session. that would be waaay easier for team brain.
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Old 04-29-2015, 09:33 AM   #785
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"Do Team Human use the mindonk strategy to conceal their own?" and "Why did cheet fold Q9o vs a std 3b?" are two questions I really wanna have answered.
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Old 04-29-2015, 09:40 AM   #786
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I think the mindonk strategy is simply because the bot doesn't really punish it at all
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Old 04-29-2015, 09:41 AM   #787
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I think the mindonk strategy is simply because the bot doesn't really punish it at all
I was anticipating this answer and that really doesn't answer my question if you think about it. I mean is it possible that they talked beforehand and said like:
"Hey. Everyone will see how we approach the game over 80k hands. They will see what we think is good flop checks, donks etc. So let's mess up our range by playing something that isn't a big losing play like the mindonk".

I mean obviously they didn't just go into this challenge like wild teens on spring break. They must have considered what it would mean to reveal so much about their game.

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Old 04-29-2015, 10:39 AM   #788
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I was anticipating this answer and that really doesn't answer my question if you think about it. I mean is it possible that they talked beforehand and said like:
"Hey. Everyone will see how we approach the game over 80k hands. They will see what we think is good flop checks, donks etc. So let's mess up our range by playing something that isn't a big losing play like the mindonk".

I mean obviously they didn't just go into this challenge like wild teens on spring break. They must have considered what it would mean to reveal so much about their game.
I thought the same thing because of the "risk" that Doug and Dong are taking in regard to their ability to make money at the tables in the future. It would not surprise me if they adopted a style that they believe could win without giving up too many insights into how they would play in another Sauce challenge.
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Old 04-29-2015, 10:45 AM   #789
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Can we stop the nl 2 cents discussions? Even if they play their regular games, u cant learn anything more than by watching them play on stars as spectators.

The reason doug and dong are so good is because of their ability to balance/adjust/etc their strategies to each player's counter strategy.. not because of their flop cbet sizing for ****'s sake.
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Old 04-29-2015, 11:03 AM   #790
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Old 04-29-2015, 11:07 AM   #791
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anyone have the current score?
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Old 04-29-2015, 11:23 AM   #792
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Can we stop the nl 2 cents discussions? Even if they play their regular games, u cant learn anything more than by watching them play on stars as spectators.

The reason doug and dong are so good is because of their ability to balance/adjust/etc their strategies to each player's counter strategy.. not because of their flop cbet sizing for ****'s sake.
What do you know? You're just a bumhunter too busto to travel from USA to Canada. Like what could you teach me about anything?

You don't even realize that importance of flop play. You just hurl out some random garbage that everyone else regurgitates. Balance/adjust etc lol. Ooooh that's soooo complex I can't even understand the words. I followed to adjust but the etc just threw me off and completely blew my mind. Balance is 1 I get it. Then I wikied adjust and figured that out. But 3 etc just opens up a world of possibilities that I can't comprehend. I must surely just bow down to your supreme knowledge in this matter of words I cannot understand.

Are you saying that these guys, who are brilliant, would not consider the future complications of outing how they approach ca 30000 flop textures against a player who is really good at worst? Are you really saying they would not consider trying to conceal information like I dunno: Muting the mic while they're talking strat? Playing a little bit off their normal game?

****ing dumbo in the air here.
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Old 04-29-2015, 11:28 AM   #793
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Re: WCGRider, Dong Kim, Jason Les and Bjorn Li to play against a new HU bot

[x] calls a non-American an American
[x] proclaims superior knowledge in the technical aspects of poker
[x] posts a lot
[x] studies poker for more than 6 years
[ ] wins above micros
[?] wins at micros
[x] talks down to a mid stake players, who has not proclaimed that he was good or bad himself, that is telling him to stop filling the thread with non-sense.

[x] proof that poker is not dying
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Old 04-29-2015, 11:32 AM   #794
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[x] calls a non-American an American
[x] proclaims superior knowledge in the technical aspects of poker
[x] posts a lot
[x] studies poker for more than 6 years
[ ] wins above micros
[?] wins at micros
[x] talks down to a mid stake players, who has not proclaimed that he was good or bad himself, that is telling him to stop filling the thread with non-sense.

[x] proof that poker is not dying
Still using checkboxes in 2015 instead of typing sentences like any normal functioning human beings. Calm down with the projection too.
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Old 04-29-2015, 11:34 AM   #795
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[x] calls a non-American an American
[x] proclaims superior knowledge in the technical aspects of poker
[x] posts a lot
[x] studies poker for more than 6 years
[ ] wins above micros
[?] wins at micros
[x] talks down to a mid stake players, who has not proclaimed that he was good or bad himself, that is telling him to stop filling the thread with non-sense.

[x] proof that poker is not dying
Give it up play money pete. You're cover is blown. Checkbox this [ _I_ ].
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Old 04-29-2015, 11:38 AM   #796
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Still using checkboxes in 2015 instead of typing sentences like any normal functioning human beings. Calm down with the projection too.
[x] an other microstakes player being annoying


please let it go so i can stop posting.
Let's just all watch this amazing event unfold without the nl2 cent strategy pros posting bad information.
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Old 04-29-2015, 11:40 AM   #797
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please let it go so i can stop posting.
Let's just all watch this amazing event unfold without the nl2 cent strategy pros posting bad information.
Yeah let's all listen to a poster who is too scared to post on his main account and claims being a european midstakes reg whose main thoughts about discussion is ad hominem attacks. Surely a vast and reliable source of information.
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Old 04-29-2015, 11:48 AM   #798
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6 years at micro stakes
i repeat
6 years at micro stakes

Please stop posting strategy. Im not even trying to post information, i just want the bad information to stop coming through.
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Old 04-29-2015, 11:49 AM   #799
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Would all you idiots stfu?
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Old 04-29-2015, 11:49 AM   #800
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Doug isnt getting action from anyone, I do not know how far it goes for the other guys but giving up some strat(in all honesty, the guys that are probable to give them action aint gonna pick up anything revoulutionary, datamining/buying hands/studying other guys hands and there own is more useful than this), which in turn might feed some worse players confidence a bit to take a shot at them isnt gonna lower their income, their winrate though but not their overall income as long as they stay better than them which they probably will because that´s how they got there in the first place.

How they play against this bot isnt saying that is how they would play a human, a matter of fact we´ve seen plenty of things already that imply otherwise, the minbet strategy is as someone else said before probably a attempt to make things tougher for the bot as it will have problems to disregard a bet as "virtually the same as a check" whilst a human brain got no problems with that.

Lastly you havent taken into consideration the chance at learning something "new", playing 20k hands against something this fearless and with a aproach to game theory more than anything they´ve played before might give them a few new tricks up their sleeve, yes its open there for everyone else to see but people aren´t there to watch their offstream talks and discussions which where they can probably figure some next level **** out.


As for everyone else that isnt in the near vicinity of highstakes, everyone can buy access to sauce123 videos and ****all and they can´t go pass a certain point anyway, just because info is there doesnt mean ppl will learn anything from it.
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