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Old 04-28-2015, 11:42 AM   #676
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Re: WCGRider, Dong Kim, Jason Les and Bjorn Li to play against a new HU bot

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem

And since you seem confused: Donger is up 70k after 23/4k hands. Cherrypicking any stretch just makes you come off as silly.
Donger is actually DOWN 70K.
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Old 04-28-2015, 11:42 AM   #677
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Re: WCGRider, Dong Kim, Jason Les and Bjorn Li to play against a new HU bot

They're at it again btw.
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Old 04-28-2015, 11:44 AM   #678
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Donger is actually DOWN 70K.
Ty, my bad.
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Old 04-28-2015, 12:00 PM   #679
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Re: WCGRider, Dong Kim, Jason Les and Bjorn Li to play against a new HU bot

lol, yea i was halfjoking but look, Doug is sunrunning his winrate, as evidently shown by Les being stomped even though he manages to avoid alot of coolers - Arguably the third best player in the world(Dong) is still stuck(yea lol sample but that is what we got to play with for now), who knows who is on the better run there though between him and Asianflushie, not as clearcut as on the Dougmirror imo.

Wether his true winrate is two digit or not against sauce is up to debate but Doug have said that the winrate between himself and other "top players" are much bigger than people would guess, he have implied that he got twodigit winrate against alot of "top players". I take it as there is still alot of edge to be had for the very best in the game headsup and that said, losing by 14bb/100 to the toptop isnt much, especially considering it finetunes every night and got lots of room to improve and potential to do so.

I wounder how much of a hit the winrate would take if Doug and Les wouldve been on opposite ends instead as of now.

Last edited by TouchOfEVil; 04-28-2015 at 12:06 PM. Reason: edited to third best player, gotta put jungle in there as #2 :)
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Old 04-28-2015, 12:10 PM   #680
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Re: WCGRider, Dong Kim, Jason Les and Bjorn Li to play against a new HU bot

If this bot is the best we have now I am not afraid from the skynet this year.

1. This bot has won against others bot with wide margin on a competition
2. it is running on a supercomputer, developing counterstrategy focused on human team strategy
3. and the human team don't take it bloody serious (no hud, no okay environment, no solid counterranges and counterstrategies (I saw they have played differently in pretty similar spots)

we are okay till now.

go brains!
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Old 04-28-2015, 12:38 PM   #681
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Re: WCGRider, Dong Kim, Jason Les and Bjorn Li to play against a new HU bot

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If this bot is the best we have now I am not afraid from the skynet this year.

1. This bot has won against others bot with wide margin on a competition
2. it is running on a supercomputer, developing counterstrategy focused on human team strategy
3. and the human team don't take it bloody serious (no hud, no okay environment, no solid counterranges and counterstrategies (I saw they have played differently in pretty similar spots)

we are okay till now.

go brains!
This has been posted before. If you don't beat nl 2cents i understand that you think you're funny writing this.






3 banned bots that do not table select at all and there's hundreds more. The winrates are in BB, double the number to get the bb/100.
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Old 04-28-2015, 12:56 PM   #682
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Re: WCGRider, Dong Kim, Jason Les and Bjorn Li to play against a new HU bot

Another show of how variance can impact duplicate poker:

Jason has 65hh, 3 bets and gets 4 bet, chooses to 5bet and gets jammed on.

The bot with 65hh calls the 3 bet, flop is 432, gets it in against dougs QQ lol.

So that was like a minus 25k hand for the humans.
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Old 04-28-2015, 12:58 PM   #683
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Re: WCGRider, Dong Kim, Jason Les and Bjorn Li to play against a new HU bot

200bb hu is pretty difficult to solve, and obscure mistakes on river overbets cost bots a lot.

If computing power is focused on e.g. 20bb hu, 50bb hu or even 100bb hu I'm sure the bot would be doing a LOT better.
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Old 04-28-2015, 01:06 PM   #684
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Re: WCGRider, Dong Kim, Jason Les and Bjorn Li to play against a new HU bot

anyone catch what bot had when doug had AJo on A85r/5?

action went r/3b/c, b/c, b/raise to 90% of stack, tank f
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Old 04-28-2015, 01:07 PM   #685
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Re: WCGRider, Dong Kim, Jason Les and Bjorn Li to play against a new HU bot

someone in twitch chat said 76 but not sure if he was trolling
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Old 04-28-2015, 01:13 PM   #686
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Re: WCGRider, Dong Kim, Jason Les and Bjorn Li to play against a new HU bot

Doug: "I would have a small edge over dong and jason, and a larger one against bjorn."

Also said that all of them are easily top 10 in the world. Jason must be pandorasbux if doug thinks jason is better than flushie, no?
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Old 04-28-2015, 01:22 PM   #687
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this is pandorasbux.
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Old 04-28-2015, 01:36 PM   #688
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Re: WCGRider, Dong Kim, Jason Les and Bjorn Li to play against a new HU bot

Hey guys,

We have Doug on the Pokercast today, any questions you would like to hear him answer about the match?
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Old 04-28-2015, 01:40 PM   #689
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Hey guys,

We have Doug on the Pokercast today, any questions you would like to hear him answer about the match?
How does he like Pittsburgh, Rivers Casino and has he played any live games since he has been here?
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Old 04-28-2015, 02:01 PM   #690
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Hey guys,

We have Doug on the Pokercast today, any questions you would like to hear him answer about the match?
- if claudico sat with you on pokerstars, how long would it take you to realize it's a bot, if ever

- what stakes would you crossbook claudico vs. the field at HU (how far down until you're worried claudico could beat the regs at that stake)

- if you could 1table claudio at 100/200NL for as many sessions as you wanted, how many days/weeks/months/years do you think it would take for the bot to break even versus you
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Old 04-28-2015, 02:14 PM   #691
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Re: WCGRider, Dong Kim, Jason Les and Bjorn Li to play against a new HU bot

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lol, yea i was halfjoking but look, Doug is sunrunning his winrate, as evidently shown by Les being stomped even though he manages to avoid alot of coolers - Arguably the third best player in the world(Dong) is still stuck(yea lol sample but that is what we got to play with for now), who knows who is on the better run there though between him and Asianflushie, not as clearcut as on the Dougmirror imo.

Wether his true winrate is two digit or not against sauce is up to debate but Doug have said that the winrate between himself and other "top players" are much bigger than people would guess, he have implied that he got twodigit winrate against alot of "top players". I take it as there is still alot of edge to be had for the very best in the game headsup and that said, losing by 14bb/100 to the toptop isnt much, especially considering it finetunes every night and got lots of room to improve and potential to do so.

I wounder how much of a hit the winrate would take if Doug and Les wouldve been on opposite ends instead as of now.
flushie is up 270k while dong is down 70k and it's not clear who is getting the better run of cards? lolwut?
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Old 04-28-2015, 02:17 PM   #692
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Re: WCGRider, Dong Kim, Jason Les and Bjorn Li to play against a new HU bot

Doug : would you estimate your edge to increase or decrease against claudico if effective stacks were 100bb? I remember you mention you think its awkward play 200bb eff on day 1.
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Old 04-28-2015, 02:18 PM   #693
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Re: WCGRider, Dong Kim, Jason Les and Bjorn Li to play against a new HU bot

Humans getting smoked this session.
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Old 04-28-2015, 02:21 PM   #694
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flushie is up 270k while dong is down 70k and it's not clear who is getting the better run of cards? lolwut?
Yeah, I was lazy and didnt check standings, mustve rushed a bit last few sessions, thought he was at ~130k+ or so which is just 6 ais and that is not much in any hu game and especially not in this if you want to dance with the bots frequent huge overbetjams
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Old 04-28-2015, 02:38 PM   #695
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Re: WCGRider, Dong Kim, Jason Les and Bjorn Li to play against a new HU bot

It would probably never happen since Ike was already on, but Doug would be a great guest on the Joe Rogan podcast. He can make boring air time really entertaining to watch.
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Old 04-28-2015, 02:56 PM   #696
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Re: WCGRider, Dong Kim, Jason Les and Bjorn Li to play against a new HU bot

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flushie is up 270k while dong is down 70k and it's not clear who is getting the better run of cards? lolwut?
It's a poor magician that blames his wand.

Jason is down when Doug is up and Jason is down when Doug is down.

Bjorn said he was going to play a low variance style that would then aggressively bet nuts to take advantage of bots "fearlessness." It is a style that seems to be working. Doug has used a Donk bet style that builds pots and it too seems to be working. Maybe the two best players using the two best styles are winning the most because they are the best and have adopted the best style.
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Old 04-28-2015, 03:06 PM   #697
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Re: WCGRider, Dong Kim, Jason Les and Bjorn Li to play against a new HU bot

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3. and the human team don't take it bloody serious (no hud, no okay environment, no solid counterranges and counterstrategies (I saw they have played differently in pretty similar spots)
Playing mixed strategies equals "not taking it bloody serious" ... wow, guess I learned something.
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Old 04-28-2015, 03:08 PM   #698
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Re: WCGRider, Dong Kim, Jason Les and Bjorn Li to play against a new HU bot

Dong had 76, raised and got called. Flop was K92, x/b/c. Turn 6, check check. River 6, bot leads 1/10th pot, dong raises pot, bot jams like 9x pot.

Dong and Doug talked about this hand for like 15 mins lol and dong went with his initial reaction and called...bot shows.... QT
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Old 04-28-2015, 03:18 PM   #699
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Re: WCGRider, Dong Kim, Jason Les and Bjorn Li to play against a new HU bot

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This has been posted before. If you don't beat nl 2cents i understand that you think you're funny writing this.






3 banned bots that do not table select at all and there's hundreds more. The winrates are in BB, double the number to get the bb/100.
Wow, that's freakin' insane ... were these suspected bot accounts, or confirmed with certainty ? Are these three different alleged bots, and if so, why would they not play under many more different screen names each ?
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Old 04-28-2015, 03:20 PM   #700
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Wow, that's freakin' insane ... were these suspected bot accounts, or confirmed with certainty ? Are these three different alleged bots, and if so, why would they not play under many more different screen names each ?
Confirmed and banned on party. I think all 3 were in the top 5-10 winners in the party 1knl player pool.
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