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Old 04-25-2015, 03:38 PM   #326
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Re: WCGRider, Dong Kim, Jason Les and Bjorn Li to play against a new HU bot

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The computer only saw 1500 hands vs each player. It probably won't and shouldn't use one player's hands to adapt to another.
Is there any information available to make you think that different strategies/adaptations are being used per player?
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Old 04-25-2015, 03:44 PM   #327
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Re: WCGRider, Dong Kim, Jason Les and Bjorn Li to play against a new HU bot

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http://www.twitch.tv/claudico_vs_bjornli/b/653345472

44min mark is the hand. The bot has lol timing tells- it insta check shoved river with the nuts since it doesn't need to run any solver for it.
yea but how long the bot took to check?
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Old 04-25-2015, 03:46 PM   #328
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Re: WCGRider, Dong Kim, Jason Les and Bjorn Li to play against a new HU bot

Backdoor quad draw gets there lol
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Old 04-25-2015, 03:49 PM   #329
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yea but how long the bot took to check?
A few seconds.
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Old 04-25-2015, 03:54 PM   #330
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Re: WCGRider, Dong Kim, Jason Les and Bjorn Li to play against a new HU bot

Great show of skill by humanity:

Flushie has AQ in BB, 3 bets pre, bets flop of AQx 2 clubs, check calls T turn, checks K river and tank calls a half pot bet, bot shows Kx of clubs.

Donger at the other table with Kx of clubs calls a 3 bet, calls a flop and turn pot bet, then shoves over 10 % river bet (1350 into 13500) for like 11k, bot folds
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Old 04-25-2015, 03:57 PM   #331
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Re: WCGRider, Dong Kim, Jason Les and Bjorn Li to play against a new HU bot

Bot has serious timing tells on the river.
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Old 04-25-2015, 03:57 PM   #332
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Re: WCGRider, Dong Kim, Jason Les and Bjorn Li to play against a new HU bot

Dongers comments for shoving were "I don't think he has a jack here for pot pot on flop/river, maybe AJ but he often just calls that pre" and also "This is the worst hand I can have in this spot" GTO ftw
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Old 04-25-2015, 03:59 PM   #333
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Re: WCGRider, Dong Kim, Jason Les and Bjorn Li to play against a new HU bot

Wait untill the bot picks up that humans seem to shove a lot on 4 straight boards when it bets weak.

Then again donger is a semi bot so he could level the bot after that anyways
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Old 04-25-2015, 04:05 PM   #334
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Re: WCGRider, Dong Kim, Jason Les and Bjorn Li to play against a new HU bot

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Wait untill the bot picks up that humans seem to shove a lot on 4 straight boards when it bets weak.

Then again donger is a semi bot so he could level the bot after that anyways
I don't think that's what happened, I think what happened was donger had the bottom of his range and had jacks in his range so this was a good hand to bluff with (since 2 pair/whatever would call). These guys are trying to GTO it not saying "zomg it led weak it doesn't have a jack." In fact he thought the previous action made it unlikely for him to have a jack (pot pot on flop/turn).
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Old 04-25-2015, 04:07 PM   #335
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Re: WCGRider, Dong Kim, Jason Les and Bjorn Li to play against a new HU bot

Flushie had AK in the BB, 3 bet a raise. Bet a T43 rainbow flop and got called. Turn was 8 bringing 2 hearts, check check. river was a 4. Flushie checked and the bot bet bot. He tanked forever and.... folded.

Donger at other table had 75 of hearts and bet the turn on same action and took it down. Would have been a nice call at the other table.
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Old 04-25-2015, 04:13 PM   #336
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Re: WCGRider, Dong Kim, Jason Les and Bjorn Li to play against a new HU bot

Doug (who apparently plays super fast, finished 90 hands faster than cheet in a 250 hand session) ends his 750 hands with -1900, a good comeback. Cheet is down 25k but has 90 hands left. Team flushie/dong is doing a lot better, +61k and -14k.

So the computer did a lot better this 3k hand session than yesterday, but is still losing by a a couple of buy ins
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Old 04-25-2015, 04:17 PM   #337
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Re: WCGRider, Dong Kim, Jason Les and Bjorn Li to play against a new HU bot

dammit jason
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Old 04-25-2015, 04:20 PM   #338
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Re: WCGRider, Dong Kim, Jason Les and Bjorn Li to play against a new HU bot

Jason tilting a bit.
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Old 04-25-2015, 04:20 PM   #339
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dammit jason
I know, I feel you
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Old 04-25-2015, 04:24 PM   #340
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Re: WCGRider, Dong Kim, Jason Les and Bjorn Li to play against a new HU bot

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are there current standings somewhere?? at least for current session??

edit: bit annoying to switch 4 twitch channels all the time lol
http://www.twitch.tv/claudico_extra

Current standing after 8k hands: Team Human up 115k (blinds 50/100).
Polk: +82k
Big Dick: +49k
Flushie: +67k
Les: -83k

14bb/100
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Old 04-25-2015, 04:30 PM   #341
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Re: WCGRider, Dong Kim, Jason Les and Bjorn Li to play against a new HU bot

Some background info here and there

https://www.cs.cmu.edu/brains-vs-ai

http://www.riverscasino.com/pittsburgh/BrainsVsAI/
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Old 04-25-2015, 04:38 PM   #342
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Re: WCGRider, Dong Kim, Jason Les and Bjorn Li to play against a new HU bot

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Each hand starts with each player having 200 big blinds. One big blind is $100 and one small blind is $50.
I don't like this criteria one bit, not very representative of a real heads up match.
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Old 04-25-2015, 04:59 PM   #343
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Re: WCGRider, Dong Kim, Jason Les and Bjorn Li to play against a new HU bot

It seems on Doug's stream the bot acts automatically on all actions and I heard one of the guys say to doug "maybe we should turn the delay back on". So if there are any timing tells they aren't from the computer having to think they are artificial stemming from some flaw/imbalance.

I have noticed both Donger and WCG minleading flops OOP quite a bit. Are they trying to exploit the bot or is this part of their optimal strategy? Given in the spots they choose to do it, it is actually a reasonable good play i suspect it may be the latter but can someone please confirm?
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Old 04-25-2015, 05:07 PM   #344
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Re: WCGRider, Dong Kim, Jason Les and Bjorn Li to play against a new HU bot

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I don't like this criteria one bit, not very representative of a real heads up match.
uh how?

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I have noticed both Donger and WCG minleading flops OOP quite a bit. Are they trying to exploit the bot or is this part of their optimal strategy? Given in the spots they choose to do it, it is actually a reasonable good play i suspect it may be the latter but can someone please confirm?
theyre trying to exploit the bot cause it seemed to be working too well early on.

seems to be up in the air if its true, since they got raised quite a few times 6x when trying to 1/5 pot flop, etc.
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Old 04-25-2015, 05:20 PM   #345
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Re: WCGRider, Dong Kim, Jason Les and Bjorn Li to play against a new HU bot

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If you don't know, then you very little about heads up poker,
Instead of patronising him, why don't you just give a straight answer?
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Old 04-25-2015, 05:20 PM   #346
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Re: WCGRider, Dong Kim, Jason Les and Bjorn Li to play against a new HU bot

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If you don't know, then you very little about heads up poker,
Imo it's a fair format. 80k hands aren't an insane amount HU but to make sure neither side runs good they play deep and they get the same hands. All ins are just equitychopped. When Team Human beats the bot, it will be without a doubt because the bot wasn't good enough.
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Old 04-25-2015, 05:21 PM   #347
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Re: WCGRider, Dong Kim, Jason Les and Bjorn Li to play against a new HU bot

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Instead of patronising him, why don't you just give a straight answer?
Kinda obvious.

Spoiler:


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Old 04-25-2015, 05:23 PM   #348
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uh how?
If you don't know, then you know very little about heads up poker,
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Old 04-25-2015, 05:24 PM   #349
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Re: WCGRider, Dong Kim, Jason Les and Bjorn Li to play against a new HU bot

lol highstakesfan you are an idiot
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Old 04-25-2015, 05:26 PM   #350
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Is Heads Up strategy static, or does it change a bit with the size of your stack ?
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