This !

Given Tuomas Sandholms interview in CardPlayer last year in September, saying "People could play against the bot and learn from observation and practice, or even play against it and be able to ask it for advice as far as what it would do if it where in their shoes, so we will be able to make a very cool training tool out of this bot." - some hope seems justified.

One influence that appears to be affecting play is that they are not using their own real money.

Yes, I believe there is some prize or payment at the end that relates to performance; but, I saw a few plays that I believe the humans would not have made if they were using actual cash (bluffs they made and bets they called).

From what I have seen, Bjorn seems like he more than the others has been playing it straight (as in, viewing the bot as a real opponent using real cash even to the point of berating the "guy" for tanking on a simple hand) and adopting a style best suited to exploit the style that he believes the bot is playing while appearing to view the "cash" as cash. For that reason, I am most curious to see how it does it against him when all is said and done.

p.s.-- Would love to have seen Jungleman in this event, if only to get him yelling at the bot before accepting it as a friend that shares his thinking/social skills.

lol

I think this is the best guess so far.

considering the jmo hint, I'd assume this is the correct answer. Seems to fit imo

Well that means pandorasbux has multiple 2p2 accounts because his username isn't a secret on here and it's not cheet. I think it's cheet is premiumwhey

does he even lift?

Doesnt cheet bumhunt American sites?

That would explain his very unpleasant post history. Almost every single post on this forum from him has been insults

It's required for initiation into the evil empire

Anyone ever made an aproximation of the standard deviation in Duplicate poker? Or for the particular event (duplicate HU poker 200bb deep vs aggro tard bot)

Yeah lot of talk in this thread but not enough thank you so i +1 this post big time.

Also i wonder how you guys sleep at night, all i can see when i go to bed after a day of watching this, is the bot in the form of a livid dream and he check overshove all in the river after the flop and turn was checked trough and other plays of that nature

Considerably less like 9bb/100 instead of 10bb/100 at higher stakes ?

Bot is getting spanked. First day they murdered it. Then it analyzed hands and got tweaked and did better. Programmers had 100% access to handhistory, something that never will happen online. Then they helped the bot and the bot still lost. Is that really something you are respecting? Is that really something you feel threatened by?

Here we have some of the top names in poker thinking it's basically **** (Cheet seems to respect it though, which made me a bit unhappy). Despite a distracting environment, HUD-less, poor interface, play money, 8 hours a day, yeah everything against them they still outperform the bot by a lot.

Seeing how the bot plays how much do you think a pure counterstrategy to the bot would make? 20bb/100? 30?

if you are pandorasbux, does that mean you're gonna start playing me at 25/50 again?

That's odd. I thought they were doing this for academic purposes?

This is pretty baffling. One would assume PhD's working on a poker bot would have some entry level understanding of game theory/would have read MoP.

Tbh, I doubt (and I might be 100% wrong) that the best bots in the world don't even enter these competitions. They are mining gold online, trying to stay under the radar. Especially if there's a stipulation that bots' source codes must be released to be eligible to enter contests.

Yeah at highstakes 10bb/100 is not that bad rakeless, so maybe it's still a bit below the best regs (still early days, and the humans are beginning to find exploitative leaks). But the bot is losing at a considerably smaller rate compared with what lowstakes regs would lose in this scenario.

As you pointed out though this game is not transitive, so it's quite hard to say how the bot will do against the said lowstakes regs. I'm not sure if the log5 method works here or if a elo based ranking makes a decent model for poker playing strength.

Ezdonk- the bots online are most likely not the best bots in terms of distance to GTO, but rather best in terms of not being detectable, and crushing the online low/misdstakes human players.

Well, if it plays like day 1 I don't think it could beat a majority of low stakes regs. Regarding some kind of rating system I find that hard to visualize, not only in theory but also in practice since players improve/degenerate drastically day to day.

They've just begun playing

How can bjorn_li fold this? I woulda called. Q3 on T93 Q7 rainbow (missed turned hearts). 1.5 PSB. Action went 3b, b, xc, x...

edit: damn...bot had KJ

haha sick ownage , did Doug got a big chunk of chips??

Polk unexpectedly not jamming river w J9ds in 3b pot after calling pre and calling post small bets flop+turn+river on QTdd ragr ragd Ar (r=rainbow).

Doug did, but in another hand (3b pot K9 v TT). Flushie is paired with Dong and dong is down a bit so don't think so.

Pretty cool to see these players and how they grind.

Dong is just speeding through it, completing hands at double the rate of flushie. Flushie thinks about every hand a lot, talking out loud with himself going through possible combos and commenting on strategy and sizing. Doug is just very pleasant, talkative and polite to everyone around him, having a good time and seemingly very playful. Cheet is thinking a lot, but more quietly. He's obviously a huge poker nerd and doesn't mind discussing poker with anyone who inquires.

All in all these guys are great ambassadors for the game.

The streams I watch most are Doug's if I want to have a laugh and enjoy myself or Flushie's if I want to learn things. Once in a while I check out Cheet hoping to catch him nerding it out with some bystander.

I hear Cheet talking about standrad deviation , i can only assume it s for this format (duplicate) and i heard 160 , seems high to me for duplicate .

i dont think cheet is pandorasbux, i think pandorasbux had his identity outed during last WSOP during a HU event or something