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04-25-2015 , 10:33 AM

#276

The4thFilm

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Humans up 148K. Starts up again in an hour.

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04-25-2015 , 10:37 AM

#277

watergun7

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Originally Posted by TheDefiniteArticle

So WCG/Les are the ones playing the same cards (idk, I haven't been watching)? If so then just replace dong with les

This would be a good idea also considering Dong and WCG are prob closer together in terms style/strat.

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04-25-2015 , 10:57 AM

#278

mack's

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Are we ever going to know whats jason les' name on pokerstars?

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04-25-2015 , 11:21 AM

#279

partywme

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Originally Posted by cheet

Les is "megabanny" on Stars and therefore quite indisputably in the top 10

Do you even battle any top 10 regs at 25/50?

My point is Klink>you which is why I was wondering why they picked you to play and not jmo

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04-25-2015 , 11:23 AM

#280

feedmykids2

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megabanny

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04-25-2015 , 11:27 AM

#281

jwd

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When is the stream starting and does anyone have a link?

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04-25-2015 , 11:28 AM

#282

JPR

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Originally Posted by DrRepper

they created an algorithm that comes up with it's own strategy, and will adjust it's own strategy over night during the challenge.

If that's the case, why would the bot wait until the end of the day to adjust?

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04-25-2015 , 11:30 AM

#283

LoneUltralisk

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Join Date: Aug 2012 Posts: 165

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Originally Posted by jwd

When is the stream starting and does anyone have a link?

it'll be teh same as yesterday

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04-25-2015 , 11:36 AM

#284

BitchiBee

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Originally Posted by partywme

Do you even battle any top 10 regs at 25/50?

My point is Klink>you which is why I was wondering why they picked you to play and not jmo

megabanny has battled everyone at 50/100

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04-25-2015 , 11:36 AM

#285

LoneUltralisk

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Originally Posted by punter11235

1)River computed on 64 cores with 512GB memory - still tanks every time the river is reached.
2)Strategy computed over months on 2k cores - unexpected minbetting OOP forces necessary adjustments overnight

There was also a moment when Doug was trying to explain the basics of nut/bluffs vs bluff catchers game to the author, it didn't go so well ("I don't have many jacks in my range so it payoffs to bet bigger with value and bluffs vs me", "but you wouldn't call a bigger bet, would you?").

I mean srsly.. all this doesn't add up. It looks like huge misunderstanding to me.

It doesn't add up to me either. Perhaps the bot is using all it's power/time to estimate river ranges? Certainly adding small or min bets at every opportunity is going to significantly increase the game tree and make things harder for the bot.
Maybe they trying to build a 'good' ai that is transferable to other fields? Rather than just winning the challenge.

With some cfr, that kind of processing power and some simple 'poker smarts' it seems it should be relatively straight forward winning a challenge like this.

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04-25-2015 , 11:39 AM

#286

LoneUltralisk

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Along those lines, in order to make the game tree larger, I think the humans should also be min 3b flops as often as possible.

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04-25-2015 , 11:47 AM

#287

MastaAces

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Originally Posted by JPR

If that's the case, why would the bot wait until the end of the day to adjust?

Likely because of insufficient computing power. It takes up to three minutes to decide what to do on the river each hand!

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04-25-2015 , 11:52 AM

#288

DrRepper

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Originally Posted by JPR

If that's the case, why would the bot wait until the end of the day to adjust?

i don't know, but i have a few guesses.

1. the new strats take a long time to compute.
2. the new strats are computed off-site using larger computers than what are present in the casino.
3. it's just some random rule of the challenge (seems least likely, i'd imagine there's a reason)

edit: just started

Last edited by DrRepper; 04-25-2015 at 12:00 PM.

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04-25-2015 , 12:00 PM

#289

Warder

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I would guess that Jason Les is ForTheSWarmm

Last edited by Warder; 04-25-2015 at 12:13 PM.

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04-25-2015 , 12:08 PM

#290

tnotmotnotgwcrf

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I don't get one thing. As far as I've read the articles/news and interviews (Q&As) the bot is "advertised" as a GTO bot. How can that be a GTO bot when it takes so long to compute the river solution. My **** PC computes a river solution in less than a sec and they use 64 cores and 512 GB. So either their solver is crap slow or they are computing some kind of exploitative strat and not a GTO strat at all.

Stream is up btw.

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04-25-2015 , 12:09 PM

#291

poison_arrow_frog

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I've discovered how he came up with this strategy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oUYylZ59BBQ&t=1m32s

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04-25-2015 , 12:12 PM

#292

cheapsmack

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The competition is just a level by the programmers to let four top pros help them to program their software.

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04-25-2015 , 12:17 PM

#293

LoneUltralisk

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bot playing faster on the river, i bet the crafty programmers did something to shorten game trees with that flop min donk

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04-25-2015 , 12:31 PM

#294

feedmykids2

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Yeah its playing way faster on river, much more fun to watch this way. Im sure it's just variance but bot is up during this session so far so maybe it's playing better (I just started watching so didn't see the hands. WCG is saying he bluffed off a stack or something).

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04-25-2015 , 12:38 PM

#295

feedmykids2

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Flushie correctly folded a flush on a paired board to a check raise on river, bot at the other table got stacked on that hand

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04-25-2015 , 12:40 PM

#296

TouchOfEVil

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I enjoyed it more when it tanked to be honest, because WCGRider spent alot of time talking about the hand, and what he hoped and not hoped for during tanks whenever he went into the rivertank OOP aswell etc.

He aired his thoughts, with teammates, with us and floormen/prof, instead of just grinded it.

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04-25-2015 , 12:41 PM

#297

watergun7

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Originally Posted by feedmykids2

Flushie correctly folded a flush on a paired board to a check raise on river, bot at the other table got stacked on that hand

full hand details?

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04-25-2015 , 12:43 PM

#298

The4thFilm

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asianflushie is majoring in math and econ and University of Chicago and can afford to take 2 weeks off?

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04-25-2015 , 12:45 PM

#299

feedmykids2

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Originally Posted by watergun7

full hand details?

I don't remember exactly, but something like flushie had Qxcc on button, raise call. flop 523cc, check, bet, call. turn 5 of clubs, check bet call. River ace. check, flushie bet pot, (2600 into 2600), bot raised to 10,600, flushie folded. Bot had A5.