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If Ben was normal he'd just pay the $40k,have a laugh at/with Berri about how dumb he'd been thinking that he actually owed $40k and let Berri pay for dinner (Doug not invited)
Amazing the lengths that multimillionaires will go to to weasel out of a bet and amazing that anyone can think that ruling 30% of $20k as a fair arbitration is anything other than a ripoff.

Yep pathetic, what a tight ass.

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09-05-2016 , 11:59 AM

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SrslySirius

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rofl how many accounts do you have, garrett?

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09-05-2016 , 12:00 PM

#554

OMGClayDol

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Lol that video is hilarious how no one knows the math and everyone screams thinking they are right. Don't think anyone was intentionally angling, just all thought they were right (wrongly). As said it was sorted correctly after. Jesse was just a bit taken aback by all the screaming and I'm 100% sure he had no bad intentions with staying quiet etc.

Insane floor man didn't get it either lol, the commentary and everything is so ridiculous......?!

And the bet should probably be booked as per ownage4u and Andrew song post for berri situation since no one someone would rule that Ben doesn't get paid if other person won. Would say in extreme circumstances with close friends who trust each other 100% it could be a wash if it's certain one party didn't understand but agree the way it was handled doesn't seem professional or fair and berri seems extremely reasonable with how he handled everything and posted, doubt anyone will come and deny anything he said (all objective).

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09-05-2016 , 12:02 PM

#555

enzet

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so basicly Ben owes money to Berri Sweet for breaking his phone and Ike said it was already broken?

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09-05-2016 , 12:06 PM

#556

Kenny S

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Originally Posted by gettym

This deserves its own thread... guy with QT is obviously entitled to half the pot while the AKs get 25%... How ****ing ******ed can people be

LMAO what a joke how stupid people can be. Math is a lost art.

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09-05-2016 , 12:08 PM

#557

RMB

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Originally Posted by SrslySirius

rofl how many accounts do you have, garrett?

Garrett who? Who's Garrett?

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09-05-2016 , 12:10 PM

#558

restorativejustice

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Originally Posted by Fitzy

Ben86 is a virus on poker, taking and never giving back. He scams and reminds us of an unattractive version of Matt Damon's Mr Ripley. He has no true identity other than what he has pulled and stolen from others, in poker and in life.

Doug is a lot like Dickie from the same film. And no, you're not just imagining the parallel homoerotic subtext of Ben's feelings towards Doug. Resulting in vicious internal conflict manifesting in outbursts such as he hates the way Doug looks.

The truth is all BT wants is to be cool like Dickie and the thought that a cool guy could be as good as him at the only thing that differentiates him is so unimaginable that it sends his fragile mind into a murderous rage every time.

If the Talented Mr Ripley has taught us nothing else, it's that Ben has murder in his heart and will one day kill Doug- if he hasn't already.

The above reads are more reasonable than the arbitration ruling.

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09-05-2016 , 12:13 PM

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CanYouSpareACnote?

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Originally Posted by ownage4u

ive thought some and hestitated to post something on the berri/ben topic, but it seems like people seem to misunderstand the situation completely, so im gonna post my thoughts.

first of all, i didnt have any business with berri in the past. i was and am having some business running with ben (basically just a lot of xbooks) and there was never the slightest sign of a problem, he has been very professional from what i can tell. also i have made a lot of xbooks in the past, so i would say i have quite some experience of whats standard and what isnt.

the way ben approached berri about the xbook, everyone who ever did an xbook would agree its super clear bens interpretation is the right one. at no point they discuss splitting the xbook. you guys try to interpret way too much into their discussion about distribution of rake and berris "gogo, thx" and just dont look enough at how obvious the situation is overall. often times someone replied in a weird way to me as berri did here, but its eventually not bens responsibility to make sure berri is actually betting the way he intends to. i usually say something like "you have player x side, i have player y side, 75% xbook, rake is split in blabla way" to be on the safe side, but ive noticed that almost nobody else doing that from my experience.

if i were in bens shoes, i would never accept berri not paying if sauce had won. i cant speak for ben, but it seems very clear to me that 90%+ of knowledgeable xbookers would look at it the same way as i do. i have a really hard time ben would have accepted berri not paying to be honest, it would at least require both
1) ben ruling out any chance berri was trying to freeroll
2) ben being extremely generous

i think what it comes down to is the question whether berri should be freerolled or not for being very unclear. i think the fair solution is clearly this:
if there were say 5 arbitrators, they should look at the event if sauce had won 80k, because thats more intuitive. if they decide ben is clearly entitled to claim the money from berri, it should be the same when results are vice versa, because it eliminates the chance of a freeroll in favor of berri by being unclear.
if the arbitrators decide ben should get 80% of the money, berri should get 80% of the money when trueteller wins 80k.

i can understand how it might seem weird that someone gets paid for a bet he didnt intend to make, but if you look at it in a logical way, its the only reasonable decision. by saying the bet should have been a wash, you assume that arbitrators would have said ben is entitled to get 0% from berri, if sauce had won 80k. that would at least not have happened in this universe.

for the rest of the story, id rather not go too much in depth. berri doesnt come across as a person to me in this thread who should ever do a xbook again and he clearly is responsible for some of the negative events. if you are utterly careless, you deserve to get into trouble sometimes.
that being said, how ben and ike allowed ike to act as an arbitrator here after already having made a decision(!!!!!!), is just beyond me. its so bad, i would have chased you all around if that happened to me.

in the past whenever i was looking for an arbitrator (meaning i shouldnt be friends with that person + the person should be smart and fair, which DOES imply refusing to arbitrate whenever you feel you are biased or already made a decision before being picked lololololol), first names coming to my mind were always kanu and ike. thats a big disappointment, wouldnt have expected something like that

a. It was hard enough to find one arbitrator, let alone five.
b. People that like to gamble for the sake of gambling should not be ostracized.

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09-05-2016 , 12:15 PM

#560

SrslySirius

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Originally Posted by RMB

Garrett who? Who's Garrett?

FreeDomRule, Bizzerk, JohnNashJr. Was banned a few days ago for derailing ChicagoJoey's thread.

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09-05-2016 , 12:21 PM

#561

enzet

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the main commentator is a joke, but the other guy is alright.

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09-05-2016 , 12:24 PM

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4JesseJames4

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Originally Posted by mjm

lol, wtf...how can the floor just stand there, and say he's shouting loud let's do what he says.

FWIW, I think RBK isn't been scummy, he just doesn't know how to chop a pot. If anything it's more likely Jessie is being scummy, he probably knows the correct chop, but thinks if I stay quiet I get my money back.

Limon stays quiet as well, you would assume he wouldn't want the fun player to get cheated in this spot.

Edit...Just saw on the youtube page that Limon did inform the floor of the mistake & it was corrected, guess he was just staying out of the drama.

Before this turns into anything I just want to say that I mentally checked out after all the screaming started and left it up to the floor. In that moment I was far more concerned with a fight breaking out then the pot being ultimately screwed up. We realized the mistake about an hour later and fixed it for the QTo guy.
Doubt Jonas was angling, think he just got really mad (not sure why) to the point that he couldn't think straight and obv should have stayed out of chopping it. Anglers/scumbags are quiet, they don't make themselves the center of attention b/c that is usually counter-intuitive to getting away with something. They dont piss people off/make a scene like Jonas did. Think he was just super tilted.

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09-05-2016 , 12:27 PM

#563

SomeoneElse

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Originally Posted by epcfast

Ike - no idea how he ended up on a pedestal - seems quite shady
Jungle - the world would be a sadder place without him - if he had a reality show i'd watch it

lol

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09-05-2016 , 12:30 PM

#564

Discipline12

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Boy has poker changed a lot!!!! Back in the day Doyle or anybody else would have punched Ben right in the mouth when he yelled in their face!!!
#problem solved
# don't be a $i@tch

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09-05-2016 , 12:31 PM

#565

Flartels

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Everyone defending Ben here were probably in the same boat as him when they were younger.

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09-05-2016 , 12:32 PM

#566

VolumeKing

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Originally Posted by Discipline12

Boy has poker changed a lot!!!! Back in the day Doyle or anybody else would have punched Ben right in the mouth when he yelled in their face!!!
#problem solved
# don't be a $i@tch

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09-05-2016 , 12:33 PM

#567

enzet

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back in the 50's Doyle wouldn't let Ben erase that gay sideways riding video from his smart phone, thats for sure.

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09-05-2016 , 12:38 PM

#568

Gallajio

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Nothing wrong with asking for it to be deleted..

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09-05-2016 , 12:51 PM

#569

Felt Mountain

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Does anyone by chance have timestamps of when/if Ben talks about WCG on Joey's podcast? Interested to hear how Ben responds to any WCG question that Joey might have asked

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09-05-2016 , 01:12 PM

#570

ownage4u

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Originally Posted by CanYouSpareACnote?

a. It was hard enough to find one arbitrator, let alone five.
b. People that like to gamble for the sake of gambling should not be ostracized.

a) yeah, it almost took one minute, im sure
b) no they shouldnt. but they should be warned from doing dumb stuff when asking for help

@berri obviously my wording was a bit of a joke. as long as you dont realise you got freerolled here (im not saying at all ben had any negative intention when making the bet), you shouldnt though. a guy like ben might not take advantage of it, some people i have xbooked with would just exploit you to the limits and if they do it right you might never understand how they cheated you

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09-05-2016 , 01:22 PM

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fivetypes

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I do love a poker thread where the mask slips. Far more entertaining than actually playing poker, carry on.

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09-05-2016 , 01:22 PM

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my_nameaintearl

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Who coined the phrase dream machine? I'm not sure if they should be shot or awarded money

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09-05-2016 , 01:28 PM

#573

WCGRider

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Agree with all of ownage4u's posts about the Berri situation.

I also do not understand what Ben was thinking that the bet is somehow not booked now because of the confusion from Berri. If Ben wins in this xbook there is no chance that he does not try to force Berri to pay the money. The xbook should stand and Berri should accidentally win money.

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09-05-2016 , 01:35 PM

#574

limon

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Originally Posted by Siculamente

lol you think limon is a stand up guy?

im prob the most stand up guy in the history of poker at this point. handled tens of thousands of high dollar bets in my life, prop/poker/golf/sports/otherwise you cant find one person on the planet whos ever had a problem. i even pay people who are wrong just to keep them gambling/good customers.

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09-05-2016 , 01:36 PM

#575

Fayth

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Originally Posted by ownage4u

whatever you guys think, its highly inappropriate to post personal stuff to try and make someone look weird fwiw. actually it puts you at risk of appearing socially awkward yourself

i dont really know what the purpose of the thread is, but it should just focus on the factual stuff in the wcg/ben and berri/ben/ike dispute if anything

as a funny side note, dont underestimate the capability of highstakes players to scam you, not the other way around. you would be surprised how sophisticated some of us can be

unsure what to think about this side note, doesn't look like you'd be the kind of guy someone wants to be friend with... unless you're kinda just stating the obvious of smart people are smart and they can either use it for good or evil

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