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04-04-2013 , 05:23 PM
Way back in the day he took a handful of losers like me and sweat us on skype and sweated us as we grinded 25nl. I was not a good student. Good guy though. Glad to see things are going well for him.
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04-04-2013 , 05:26 PM
i heard hes good at starcraft. if he loses all his money, at least he has that goig for him
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04-04-2013 , 05:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Masq
I have been thinking the same. The sort of person who grinds small stakes FR doesn't show up at nosebleeds playing HU. The whole risk profile aspect. I know the accusations he had in the past and the screenshots he posted. It all just doesn't smell quite right.
Why is it so hard to believe someone worked on their game and improved? Props to him for grinding his way from the micros to the top.
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04-04-2013 , 05:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Chabra
Why is it so hard to believe someone worked on their game and improved? Props to him for grinding his way from the micros to the top.
After his success at 25NL he was staked at 5/10 6max. I spoke with him during this time and he was very excited with short handed play. I spent some time sweating him at those games, his reads, timing, boldness and game theory were very strong. I am not surprised at all to see him rise to the top.
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04-04-2013 , 05:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Chabra
Why is it so hard to believe someone worked on their game and improved? Props to him for grinding his way from the micros to the top.
Because he was a small stakes grinder and then just as he's bought his house and spent a ton on it he shows up playing nosebleeds. Just the timing of it, also some of the company he keeps (Jungleman).

Course it's possible he really worked on his game and improved. But the risk profile of small stakes grinders is very different to nosebleed players and arguably it's something in their blood which makes them want to take higher shots and move up the games, rather than grind millions of small stakes hands making SNE and being comfortable to stay there.
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04-04-2013 , 06:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Masq
Because he was a small stakes grinder and then just as he's bought his house and spent a ton on it he shows up playing nosebleeds. Just the timing of it, also some of the company he keeps (Jungleman).
As I said not too far above here, I've seen WCG playing and winning at 5/10 and 10/20 years ago before BF, so your entire premise is faulty here. You not observing it doesn't mean it hasn't been happening.

Basically, either he really did grind it up, or he's been letting other people use his account exclusively for years and years and managed to provide a ton of realistic evidence to make it seem like he actually just put a lot of work into his game and has been playing all this time. Cause he's been at high stakes many times across a few years. I think we need some more foundation to have this opinion than just not feeling 'right' about it. This is not the first time someone took issue to Doug's accomplishments, and he has defended himself significantly already in other threads.

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04-04-2013 , 06:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Masq
Because he was a small stakes grinder and then just as he's bought his house and spent a ton on it he shows up playing nosebleeds. Just the timing of it, also some of the company he keeps (Jungleman).

Course it's possible he really worked on his game and improved. But the risk profile of small stakes grinders is very different to nosebleed players and arguably it's something in their blood which makes them want to take higher shots and move up the games, rather than grind millions of small stakes hands making SNE and being comfortable to stay there.
he was actually playing the 2/4-3/6 ring games on stars months leading up to the 25nl prop bet all those years ago. (it seems like decades ago now) right after he quit the prop bet he literally jumped right back into the midstakes.

he was beating the 10/20-25/50 ring games on stars a few years ago, post BF i guess he grinded on the euro sites/merge and beat em up pretty good.
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04-04-2013 , 06:10 PM
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Originally Posted by DRybes
Basically, either he really did grind it up, or he's been letting other people use his account exclusively for years and years and managed to provide a ton of realistic evidence to make it seem like he actually just put a lot of work into his game and has been playing all this time. Cause he's been at high stakes many times across a few years. I think we need some more foundation to have this opinion than just not feeling 'right' about it. This is not the first time someone took issue to Doug's accomplishments, and he has defended himself significantly already in other threads.
Doesn't really matter what I think anyway. If the people in those games are happy to play that account then that's all there really is to it. I know Jungle said in his interview he thought Sauce was one of the best, so not even sure if he would play sauce HU these days.
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04-04-2013 , 07:30 PM
he is the of the fiercest of warriors, and the truest of brethren

rumor has it he had a threesome with 2 twins and crushed sauce and kanu on 4 tables each high as a kite

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04-04-2013 , 08:33 PM
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Originally Posted by jungleman
he is the of the fiercest of warriors, and the truest of brethren

rumor has it he had a threesome with 2 twins and crushed sauce and kanu on 4 tables each high as a kite
COACH ME PLSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS
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04-04-2013 , 08:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Loopshot1
He payed Brad Booth about 30k for lessons.
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common knowledge he is stacked and mentored by Brad "yukonbrad" Booth.

Its hard not to rise that fast with that support in your corner
Gotta love Trolls? He was robbed of like 30k by the one and only Yukon Brad. No one catch that tearful apology Brad posted on Youtube?

Keep on trolling, one day you might actually write something original and indeed funny.......though I doubt it.

Last edited by Gamblinsasin; 04-04-2013 at 08:49 PM. Reason: spelling error
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04-04-2013 , 08:57 PM
afaik Brad paid off a few cents of the 30K already
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04-04-2013 , 09:02 PM
So, this guy went from playing full ring 3/6 to buying a house in vegas, getting robbed of 30k, playing almost nothing during black friday for a while to challenging sauce123 at 100/200 HU NL. Something doesn't add up. Not sure where he got the bankroll or game to do it.

First of all, in poker, you can work hard and make a lot of money(by game selecting). But you can't work hard and beat the likes of sauce123 at hu nl. For the latter, you need a very high level of intelligence that I don't think a guy who was playing 25nl on web cam couple of yrs ago and trolls on 2p2 has. Given what jungleman did with girah and his association with Doug, I think there's a reason to be strongly suspicious of this story

Also, he hasn't put in enough volume in 25/50, 10/20 hu etc. If he did, I'd love to see how many hands he played there. His rise feels too sudden and too unlikely. I'd love it if his story was real but it's too good to be true like the Lance Armstrong story
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04-04-2013 , 09:08 PM
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Originally Posted by partywme

he was beating the 10/20-25/50 ring games on stars a few years ago, post BF i guess he grinded on the euro sites/merge and beat em up pretty good.
How many years ago was this? Can you please provide some proof? How do you know about his euro zone success?
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04-04-2013 , 09:11 PM
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Originally Posted by KB24
So, this guy went from playing full ring 3/6 to buying a house in vegas, getting robbed of 30k, playing almost nothing during black friday for a while to challenging sauce123 at 100/200 HU NL. Something doesn't add up. Not sure where he got the bankroll or game to do it.

First of all, in poker, you can work hard and make a lot of money(by game selecting). But you can't work hard and beat the likes of sauce123 at hu nl. For the latter, you need a very high level of intelligence that I don't think a guy who was playing 25nl on web cam couple of yrs ago and trolls on 2p2 has. Given what jungleman did with girah and his association with Doug, I think there's a reason to be strongly suspicious of this story

Also, he hasn't put in enough volume in 25/50, 10/20 hu etc. If he did, I'd love to see how many hands he played there. His rise feels too sudden and too unlikely. I'd love it if his story was real but it's too good to be true like the Lance Armstrong story
What you see isn't the whole story. I'm not sure why you are trying to
make as if the guy is a fraud. There is no reason to doubt that he developed quickly to the top.
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04-04-2013 , 09:14 PM
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Originally Posted by jungleman
he is the of the fiercest of warriors, and the truest of brethren

rumor has it he had a threesome with 2 twins and crushed sauce and kanu on 4 tables each high as a kite
Does this mean it was a 5 way?
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04-04-2013 , 09:16 PM
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Originally Posted by jungleman
he is the of the fiercest of warriors, and the truest of brethren

rumor has it he had a threesome with 2 twins and crushed sauce and kanu on 4 tables each high as a kite
Yeah, didnt he **** both of ashman's sisters while Ashton was doing the 70 mile propbet?

What a b'stard
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04-04-2013 , 09:23 PM
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Originally Posted by KB24
So, this guy went from playing full ring 3/6 to buying a house in vegas, getting robbed of 30k, playing almost nothing during black friday for a while to challenging sauce123 at 100/200 HU NL. Something doesn't add up. Not sure where he got the bankroll or game to do it.

First of all, in poker, you can work hard and make a lot of money(by game selecting). But you can't work hard and beat the likes of sauce123 at hu nl. For the latter, you need a very high level of intelligence that I don't think a guy who was playing 25nl on web cam couple of yrs ago and trolls on 2p2 has. Given what jungleman did with girah and his association with Doug, I think there's a reason to be strongly suspicious of this story

Also, he hasn't put in enough volume in 25/50, 10/20 hu etc. If he did, I'd love to see how many hands he played there. His rise feels too sudden and too unlikely. I'd love it if his story was real but it's too good to be true like the Lance Armstrong story
why do you care enough to have these opinions? are you playing him and just pissed off coz you can't beat him or something?
it not like everyone is saying he's just some fish from 25nl and therefore he gets action...

also pretty sure jm wouldn't want to be involved with anything at all shady online and it seems ridiculous to even think that. he seems pretty sensitive about being called a cheater, as was seen on the premier league.
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04-04-2013 , 09:33 PM
He once coached his exgirlfriend playboy model at the table at 2/5 at the V as he and she stacked me over and over again, which was sweet



Class act, sick player
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04-04-2013 , 10:05 PM
how did he get to the top? by being smart and logical imo
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04-04-2013 , 10:35 PM
between jungle multi accounting, wcg winning all this money, haseeb randomly being back in hsnl, wcg getting lessons from brad booth and jungle multi accounting i fear nothing but the worst
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04-04-2013 , 10:55 PM
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Originally Posted by theskillzdatklls
between jungle multi accounting, wcg winning all this money, haseeb randomly being back in hsnl, wcg getting lessons from brad booth and jungle multi accounting i fear nothing but the worst
wobbly_au called him out on this when the girah scandal hit, and WCG Rider pretty quickly and politely posted evidence that he's the only one playing on his account.
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04-04-2013 , 10:59 PM
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Originally Posted by jungleman
he is the of the fiercest of warriors, and the truest of brethren

rumor has it he had a threesome with 2 twins and crushed sauce and kanu on 4 tables each high as a kite
i'll be impressed when it's a five-some and two sets of twins at the same time...talk to me then
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04-04-2013 , 11:01 PM
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Originally Posted by iGolf
What you see isn't the whole story. I'm not sure why you are trying to
make as if the guy is a fraud. There is no reason to doubt that he developed quickly to the top.
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why do you care enough to have these opinions? are you playing him and just pissed off coz you can't beat him or something?
it not like everyone is saying he's just some fish from 25nl and therefore he gets action...

also pretty sure jm wouldn't want to be involved with anything at all shady online and it seems ridiculous to even think that. he seems pretty sensitive about being called a cheater, as was seen on the premier league.
levels?
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04-05-2013 , 12:01 AM
idiot from north america

no but in all seriousness doug deserves tons of credit, one of the purest students of hunl there is. superb professional.

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