+1 what a nerd post

Didn't Lex Vedlhuis play it too?

aight, well then we aren't to far away from agreement that we need to take it any further. To answer your question above, didn't see it... I used to play Quake, tried CS but it wasn't the game for me.

The truth hurts, doesn't it? It's a really simple equation. Poker success consists of x% skill and y% luck, which totals to 100%. In RTS games the luck factor is minimal/non-existant and therefore your success is based almost purely on skill, just like in chess.

Any f*cktard with a basic understanding of poker can beat the best players in the world and be one of the biggest poker winners ever, ie. Jamie Gold, Jerry Yang etc. This is impossible in RTS games. The top-10 players can pretty much beat the top 50th player every single time they play. A newbie has no chance of winning against a notably better opponent, like he would in poker. There are no suck outs or hot runs in RTS games.

Your comparison sucks balls because there's no luck in becoming a lawyer or a doctor, they require 100% skill - only the nature of that "skill" can be argued.

Poker and RTS games actually require very similar skill sets, so they are comparable. That's why there are dozens of successful gamers who have made the switch to online poker. Why are you trying to argue about this issue when you obviously have no clue about RTS games?

i lul'd again.

Jamie Gold and Jerry Yang binked ME's. it's donkament. in any given day any player can bink it.

is Jamies Gold and Jerry Yang beating best poker players in the words at cash games? no they aren't.

and how many of your SC pro players can beat high stakes poker? no one. midstakes? maybe couple. mostly they all are small stakes FR rakeback grinders. break even rakeback grinders.

You do realize to laugh at him and then confirm exactly what he said right?

do u realize that u can't judge poker skillset by someone who's binked MTT? do u realize that that's plain stupid to compare poker and SC?

That was my whole point. There's luck in poker, but not in RTS games. Therefore skill plays a bigger part in RTS games. No one could "bink" the ESWC for example.

Now you're grasping at straws and starting to look pathetic. Numerous names have already been mentioned in this thread and there are whole threads dedicated to this subject. I'd even bet that former competitive computer gamers (CS, Quake, WC3, SC etc.) are the most likely group of people to become successful at online poker. This forum alone has dozens of pro poker players who used to be very competitive at the mentioned games, starting with myself.

Again I ask you, why are you trying to argue about this issue when you obviously have no clue about it? What's your history in competitive gaming?

do you realize that's exactly what the guy you laughed at said?

nerds itt

Is this the main guy in starcraft?

lol that's starfox

I want to try this game, but since I play poker in evenings and golf on weekends, I don't know when I'll have time.

Why would I give up my poker, which I'm very good at losing money in, for a game where I really can't lose anything except the purchase price?

Seems like a bad deal to me. Despite my desire to see wat the fuss is about, I'm not givin up my unprofitable poker time. Maybe I'll quit golf instead.

isapistola, former clanmember in Z ? I just hope you are blitzer or someone who used to be a demigod back in the days.

gamers gonna game

Lol, no. But I did play at the top of the Finnish ClanBase ladder against some of Finland's best players when z was still active. Ah, that was like 10 years ago.

binking ITT

i cant call you ******ed because you probably have not played starcraft so i understand that you're trying to argue poker has more skill than starcraft. however, you are 1000% wrong. starcraft has and always will have way more skill involved then poker does. its honestly not even close. there is no luck in starcraft, remember that.

You are looking at it the wrong way - a good poker player doesn't rely on luck, in fact his skillset is supposed to make him a longterm winner neglecting luck (since as the number of hands goes to infinity the "luckfactor" goes to zero...). The arrguement that poker involves luck and is therefore less skillfull than starcraft is rediculous, and this is coming from someone who is trying to defend starcraft...

fixed it to keep with the nerd theme.

Can someone explain to me why this sort of nonsense never happened with Command and Conquer?

I haven't played poker since SC2 came out, and I generally play quite a bit during the day. I've also never played SC before this. So, yeah I agree that it's going to take a small chunk of players out of the poker pool.

Yeah, well, both games involve a practically infinite amount of skill, but you're right that if there is a harder game it is SC. It has more depth as far as skill is concerned, but psychologically it's nowhere near as demanding as poker. It requires even more focus than poker does and leaves you with even more room for improvement than poker does, but poker requires a huge ****ing pair of balls to really succeed at. So it's hard to compare.

starcraft doesn't involve more skill because of luck, it's just a way more complicated game with much more nuances and subtle details than poker is.

if someone who really tries to get good at poker dedicates a decent amount of time to it and watches a few cardrunners vids a day / discusses a few hands on forums and plays a little bit, he or she can be a winning 200NL+ player in 2 months with strong potential to beat 600NL+ (mentally, not physically, as it will need a much longer time to build a roll for those limits). most aren't because they get into poker with the goal of making quick or easy money and then proceed to go broke for years without improving really much.

in starcraft, if you play 10 hours a day for 2 months straight, you still won't be a very good player. and this is not exaggerated. there have been (televised)stories of people who tried that out, and they miserably failed to achieve even a good mid level of skill after 2-3 months with coaching and compensation for their play. you'll probably be a bad mid-level player, but you will probably never ever reach the pro-level of skill (of south koreans), because those players play 14-16 hours a day, 6 days a week, mostly 7 days a week even though they have a day of by contract. at peak points in battles, they do 10 actions with their keyboard and mouse each second, with much strategy behind each of those actions. and they can't just take 2 weeks off, because after that you need a pretty long time to get your mechanics up and running.

poker is pretty ****ing easy. the only real skill you need in poker is discipline. discipline to learn the thinking behind actions and a little math, and after that you're set. edit: and discipline to let logics dominate your play and leave emotions out.

To answer your first question, around 5-10 SC players from the USA/EU have moved to Korea to persue their career in SC and non havn't even came close to challenging the Koreans..

All concepts/key binds etc from StarCraft will transfer over to the new StarCraft 2. I agree that a minority of poker players will play StarCraft 2 and it will affect the amount of time they spend playing poker. My arguement regarding StarCraft players having more experience, faster reactions times, more clicks per minute and generally have a better understanding of the game, was against the suggestion that poker players will switch to StarCraft as a career.