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04-10-2008 , 05:08 AM
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Originally Posted by Flip-Flop
Thread should have ended with that post.
OP you show signs of denial, depression and few more "states" that I`m not going to mention, and I only read few sentences of your post.
I can bet half of my house that it has everything to do with your poker results.
I`ll bet the other half that if you would win even a small $10 tourny today the first thing that would come to your mind would be "wow, poker is such a great game".

I hope this thread helps you realize some things and becomes something more then just an embarrassement for you.
You need to be honest with yourself though.
you shown signs of illiteracy, which is prevalent among poker degenerates as yourself

Last edited by millerlolife; 04-10-2008 at 05:13 AM.
04-10-2008 , 05:09 AM
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Originally Posted by millerlolife
you are illiterate
And you are "smart" enough to realize that obviosly English is like my...4th language?
04-10-2008 , 05:09 AM
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Originally Posted by basementproject
[x] Britessential is of higher intelligence than every single person who has posted in this thread.


[x] Seriously.
[x] basementproject isn't entirely clear on the definition of 'intelligence.'
04-10-2008 , 05:16 AM
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Originally Posted by Flip-Flop
And you are "smart" enough to realize that obviosly English is like my...4th language?
i think its called "education". pokerstars may offer it as a first place prize in one of their tournaments
04-10-2008 , 05:34 AM
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Originally Posted by millerlolife
i think its called "education". pokerstars may offer it as a first place prize in one of their tournaments
Just jump in that lake don`t hesitate, it`ll be over soon.
04-10-2008 , 06:04 AM
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Originally Posted by AJackson
For most of us poker is a means to an end. Just a tool. I'm sure that your post is reflective of your experience, but I think you're going about it all wrong. I couldn't imagine playing an 18 hour session because I know that after 6 hours I'm depending upon luck to win because I've lost my skill edge. Just let poker be a part of your life, not your entire life.

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Originally Posted by AJackson
I don't doubt people lie about their win rates, however there is a core of solid players who do do what I wrote. I know I do and I'm half an idiot. I just think your blog entry cuts too wide a swath. Sure, what you wrote is true of some. Letting a game consume your life is a bad thing, even when you are making crazy money. It's especially stupid if you're only making decent money.

The toughest part of playing for a living is the mental aspects and a big part of that is keeping poker in it's place. For those that achieve that mind set, poker can be the cornerstone of a very nice life. If you (OP) can't do this then I think it would be smart to do something else, but don't project your failings upon everyone else.
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04-10-2008 , 06:33 AM
So basically you wrote all my thoughts up in words.
Many thanks for that, I think I`m going to do something with it.

I`m at the last few months of my Master-course, and hope to finish in july. Hopefully get a job and look up from there, play poker on the side. I have been noticing that I`m putting alot of time in poker the last few months, and my study is suffering from it.

I laugh at people dropping out of study, ultimately failing at poker, and you never know, maybe in three years onlinepoker isn`t here anymore (a real possibility in the Netherlands, we might be tolerant and hookers and blow, but poker...), you have no place to go. Yeah, try to start studying again for four or five years when youre like 26, I give you almost no chance of succeeding.

Poker is a good thing if you manage it well, set your priorities and always, always have a solid backup plan.

Last edited by vos; 04-10-2008 at 06:40 AM.
04-10-2008 , 07:10 AM
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Originally Posted by Britessential
yes because I am driven by much more than money, and not even 500k would eradicate my wonder.
Spoken like someone who has never been rich nor poor in his life and has had a really comfortable upbringing.

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Originally Posted by GameTheory
If every poker player had decent reasoning skills, it'd be a pretty much zero-sum game.

Keep chillin at your comps for hours, rotting your minds, making excuses for random numbers, tryin to make a quick buck off a complete idiot's welfare check..As long as it makes you feel good.
For someone called game theory, i would at least expect you to know what zero sum actually means.

Paying my bills makes me feel good. Sorry if that offends you.

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Originally Posted by millerlolife
i agree with the OP. poker as a lifestyle and career is for losers who cant crack it in life.
One of my earliest memories as a child was driving with my mum to pick up my dad from his shift in a local quarry. Thanks to poker i dont have to work in a quarry, dont have to do longs hours of back breaking work. I set my own hours, have the easiest commute in the world and the only negatives i have is the occassional downswing and break even streak.

If poker isnt the right choice for you, then fine. But ive worked in an office for min wage, ive done call centre work, ive done temp working. Poker is the best job ive ever had and i make no excuses for it whatsoever because i know plenty of people doing crappy work for crappy money.

If you want life fulfillment from your job, you have likely never worked a real job in your life.
04-10-2008 , 07:20 AM
the problem is he judges all poker players by his own standards.

some on 2p2 make over $1000 an hour. these people are likely very happy with poker being in their lives. i make a lot less... but am still happy to have poker and don't regret learning the game at all.

yes.... poker COULD be a soulless grind for 12 hours a day to make minimum wage. if it is that way for you... THEN YOU ARE DOING IT WRONG! a good player with good bankroll management etc will be able to make a decent living for himself WITHOUT working excessive hours.

if you can't do this... then don't play poker as your job. simple.

it's like talking about alcohol and saying.... "look what it does to addicts.... they are broke and mentally damaged." that is true... SOME people are. however, the majority of people who consume alcohol have a pleasurable experience and are not harmed.
04-10-2008 , 07:21 AM
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Originally Posted by Superluminal
If you want life fulfillment from your job, you have likely never worked a real job in your life.
Alot of truth to this. So many people I know are just absolutely miserable with their jobs, and their lives in general. And it has nothing to do with Poker.

Thing is this OP has been done plenty of times before. It's not like Brit is the first person to think of this or talk about it. Forget Poker, gambling in general has had this stigma to it for years now, long before any of us knew what poker was.

Bottom line, if you have a good work ethic and are responsible you can get alot out of poker. The same applies for alot of things in life. This has less to do with poker and more to do with what kind of person you are.
04-10-2008 , 07:28 AM
OP really makes some good points, I think some of what he says is quite accurate about alot of people who play poker, and lose generally.

What he seems to be confused with in my mind is the fact that winners can't be happy, I'm not rich from poker at all but i live better than most ppl i know. Poker allows me to live a very free life before the next stage of my life, I see nothing other than positive results from poker in my life.

I'm sorry you cannot balance winning poker and enjoying life, please find another forum that suits your next endeavor.
04-10-2008 , 07:54 AM
i think i can play poker and travel round the globe doing it. i want to see new things and experience new places. i dont care about materialism but i dont begrudge others either. some people want expensive sports cars and the like to justify all the hard work they have done to reward themesleves with something nice. some people want these things for the admiration of their peers.
theoretically i could play up to 40hrs a week of poker becuase that is the time that would be invested in a regular job.im older then most on these forums i suspect, so ive done all the self obsessed must be the best in the world at something type thing.i think i could strike a balance quite happily. ive had had good jobs, bad jobs, lots of money and been dead broke. it all helps in the end to appreciate what you have when you have it.
04-10-2008 , 08:08 AM
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Originally Posted by Superluminal
Spoken like someone who has never been rich nor poor in his life and has had a really comfortable upbringing.



For someone called game theory, i would at least expect you to know what zero sum actually means.

Paying my bills makes me feel good. Sorry if that offends you.



One of my earliest memories as a child was driving with my mum to pick up my dad from his shift in a local quarry. Thanks to poker i dont have to work in a quarry, dont have to do longs hours of back breaking work. I set my own hours, have the easiest commute in the world and the only negatives i have is the occassional downswing and break even streak.

If poker isnt the right choice for you, then fine. But ive worked in an office for min wage, ive done call centre work, ive done temp working. Poker is the best job ive ever had and i make no excuses for it whatsoever because i know plenty of people doing crappy work for crappy money.

If you want life fulfillment from your job, you have likely never worked a real job in your life.

bravo, you dont work in a quarry. very ambitious. i work in the fixed income group at citibank

Last edited by millerlolife; 04-10-2008 at 08:14 AM.
04-10-2008 , 08:22 AM
people have different ambitions. some want to chase material things and others not. we all aspire to different things millerolife. not all poor or low income people are sad and wishing they lived in mansions. just the same as all rich people are not evil selfish nasty people who want to keep everyone down.find out what you think will make you happy and work towards it.
04-10-2008 , 08:27 AM
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Originally Posted by millerlolife
bravo, you dont work in a quarry. very ambitious. i work in the fixed income group at citibank
no one cares, stfu.
04-10-2008 , 08:31 AM
People need to harden the **** up if they think poker is soul destroying.
04-10-2008 , 08:32 AM
tl;dr
04-10-2008 , 08:49 AM
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Originally Posted by killsadie
TEA EL DEE OUR
wtf, have you a speech impediment?
04-10-2008 , 08:51 AM
The OP sounds very sincere. He seems to be at a crossroads as will happen at many times in all of our lives. OP, remember this, Howard Lederer, daniel Negreanu and all the other so called pros are phoneys. They are so pro internet and cardroom and magazine and anything else that will sponsor them. You know why because they would never make enough money just playing cards. The endorsement contracts are their king solomon gold mines of the poker boom. Put the Phil Iveys and many other great and some good players aside who will make money without endorsements. These phoney pros are telling everybody to get leather asses and they are sipping champagne and laughing at the masses who buy their BS. Poker is a great game and go and enjoy it in moderation. I take nothing away from those select people who make a living off of playing poker, god bless. Remember chocolate is great, but 10 pounds a day of it is not. I had to leave a career I loved after 20 years due to injury and sure at times it felt like work, but I miss it so. I loved it. You can love what you do. I do agree that too many kids are dropping out of college to play poker. Let them fall on their sword, such is life. I do love it when they say I can just pick up where i left off and go back to school and start up again. That is rare and a very tough thing to do. The real smart people like the michael bingers of the world are few and far between. I know this is a bit of a ramble but live life, make mistakes, learn from them and move forward. Good luck.
04-10-2008 , 08:53 AM
These people are trolling right?
04-10-2008 , 08:53 AM
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Originally Posted by TheBarrieKid
Very good post.
Good read.
+1
04-10-2008 , 09:02 AM
Great post, Brit...I mean it. Most of these little poker elitist morons are in denial and what you said touched a nerve with them, hence the vitriolic responses. Anyhow, great stuff and I wholeheartedly agree...very thought-provoking.
04-10-2008 , 09:36 AM
yawn
04-10-2008 , 09:44 AM
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Originally Posted by Britessential
We all win and lose sometimes. For every winning pot there is a losing pot. If you would like me to admit that what I said automatically makes me a losing player then you would be mistaken. I meant that sometimes if I drop a few buy ins I try too hard to force it back within a small amount of time and sometimes suffer more as a result because I dont want to quit as a loser for the session.
I believe you are a winner at the game like you say, but not a significant one, however. I do think that the part I bolded is what you do most of the time. That's the real crux of your problem- you can't end a session down. Small winner + never wanting to quit a session down = having the life sucked out of you.

Now, before you say, "Read my post. I said SOMETIMES I try to force it back. I don't do it all that often." Well, I don't believe that for a second. I think it's what you do every session. I think when you decide to quit a session is all based on your balance. I think you quit sessions short when you've gotten up a couple of buyins, and you play for however long it takes to get even when you are down. You will deny it, and that's fine, but you can't lie to yourself in the end.

You sweat the money. If you play limits at which the daily swings are insignificant to you, I promise you will not feel like poker is a drain. It's not poker that sucks the life out of people, it's gambling that does. Since poker is gambling, there's a fine line to be adhered to. Then again, some people need to get their nuts kicked in endlessly to feel alive, so that makes poker the quintessential game.
04-10-2008 , 10:09 AM
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Originally Posted by millerlolife
bravo, you dont work in a quarry. very ambitious. i work in the fixed income group at citibank
Want a cookie?

I say this with no sense of jealousy whatsoever, i dont want to work in some big bank in a city. That life has never appealed to me.

Money isnt a big deal to me and there is a lot more you can get out of life that you cannot achieve whilst working a 60 hour week from your early 20s until you retire (if you are lucky) in your 50s.

But if working in the fixed income group at citibank makes you happy, good luck to you. But dont judge me by your own definition of ambition.

If i live out the rest of my life not answering to anyone else and having full control of my life - be it through poker or self employment starting my own small business like my father did, then i have lived a really happy fulfilling life.

      
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