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07-12-2014 , 12:50 AM
A bad play is a bad play no matter who makes it.
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07-12-2014 , 12:57 AM
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Originally Posted by Airblaze
Ivey chomping on that apple was the single most badass/hilarious thing I've seen in poker, the movie equivalent of turning your back on an explosion.
Ivey is great poker, no doubt. I just don't see how eating an apple makes for riveting tv.
He is comfortable in front of the camera though. That counts for something in a sea of socially awkward poker players.
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07-12-2014 , 01:03 AM
what a horrible way to end your series on a crap bluff.
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07-12-2014 , 01:12 AM
Really though, it was Ivey

What else needs to be said to defend his play?
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07-12-2014 , 01:35 AM
generally a bad tournament play as rarely do you get called by worse or fold out much better. It's possible he gets a 'you're Phil Ivey' fold but he should be able to find much better and lower variance spots.
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07-12-2014 , 01:45 AM
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Originally Posted by LiveActionPro
what a horrible way to end your series on a crap bluff.
Was it a bluff or a value bet? I think he thought AK was good here often. He is only beat by a pp or a 9.
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07-12-2014 , 01:48 AM
^^^ vbet? wtf
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07-12-2014 , 01:50 AM
I don't see how it could possibly be a value bet.
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07-12-2014 , 01:50 AM
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Originally Posted by betgo
Was it a bluff or a value bet? I think he thought AK was good here often. He is only beat by a pp or a 9.
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07-12-2014 , 01:55 AM
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Originally Posted by illdonk
I don't see how it could possibly be a value bet.
He must have thought AK was good a lot there. If he flat calls, he has like .6x pot left. He can't be folding out much that beats him with the push.

Ivey could have bet the flop though.
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07-12-2014 , 01:59 AM
lol value bet. Dude stop.
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07-12-2014 , 01:59 AM
A value bet wants a call. AK doesn't want a call there.

Perhaps Ivey thought his opponent was making a move, or would fold his own Ace or possibly a small pair. But it wasn't a value bet.
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07-12-2014 , 02:05 AM
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Originally Posted by betgo
He must have thought AK was good a lot there. If he flat calls, he has like .6x pot left. He can't be folding out much that beats him with the push.

Ivey could have bet the flop though.
Do u even understand the concept of value betting ? u think Kx is callling there ?
Do you still coach ?
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07-12-2014 , 02:07 AM
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Originally Posted by bentaylor1988
What bets did you have?
Ivey to not make the top 100 and one of the group of guys I bought shares in to outlast Ivey (made on Day 2 when my guys combined had around 1.5x as many chips as Ivey, one guy still in w 970k)
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07-12-2014 , 02:12 AM
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Originally Posted by illdonk
A value bet wants a call. AK doesn't want a call there.

Perhaps Ivey thought his opponent was making a move, or would fold his own Ace or possibly a small pair. But it wasn't a value bet.
So do you flat call with .6x pot left to induce a bluff on the river? He can fold, call, or push. I was being a little ironic about value bet, but he obviously was doing this thinking he had the best hand a lot, not that he would fold out many better hands.
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07-12-2014 , 02:18 AM
I'm obviously an idiot for trying to analyze Ivey's playing, but if he thought he had the best hand there, why raise all in? The opponent isn't going to call with anything that doesn't at least split the pot. You still seem to pushing the whole 'value bet' thing.
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07-12-2014 , 02:20 AM
Without any info on utg we cant possibly critique ivey.
Kabbaj stack is very relevent too.
Ak v jj with his stack is almost always going to be all in before the river.
if Ivey bets flop hes probably even more likely to be called
on turn. In a vacuum pretty standard hand.
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07-12-2014 , 02:23 AM
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Originally Posted by illdonk
I'm obviously an idiot for trying to analyze Ivey's playing, but if he thought he had the best hand there, why push all in? You still seem to pushing the whole 'value bet' thing.
Again there is only a little more than half pot left. Push to protect your hand and maybe fold out small pps. The alternative is to call down on the river with ace high.

I think it is more of a question why not cbet the flop. Then he is pretty getting pot odds to call a push.
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07-12-2014 , 03:05 AM
probably the best question is why doesn't he just keep every pot small because he's phil ivey and vs amateurs rarely gets played back at light. Negreanu isn't the best tournament player in the world but does well because he plays small ball until he finds a good setup. If one of your strengths is supposedly live reads you should have a pretty narrow and polarized 3b range most of the time. To do much to increase variance is cash game spew and wrongly assumes you must take all +ev spots regardless of how thin.
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07-12-2014 , 03:30 AM
This is a value bet against AJ, AQ, and all other aces the other guy played it really weird flatting pre. If the other guy has AJ Ivey has 52% equity.
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07-12-2014 , 03:32 AM
Kabbaj does not have an ace in his range. Ivey started the hand with 30 bb and Kabbaj had 100+ bb. Kabbaj is a solid pro and Ivey knows this. Ivey probably has a wide 3 bet range. AQ and AK are 4 bet shoving on Ivey. Mid-pairs should be shoving. Even small pocket pairs should be shoving or folding, not calling to set pedal against his below avg. stack. I guess u can argue it's +EV to try to hit a set to knock out Ivey from your table. So what does UTG call with? Maybe KQ, QJ suited, J-10 suited, 10-9 suited. AA-KK-QQ to trap.

Ivey has blockers to hands that are trapping him. He read the 80K bet as weak and made his move. He beats KQ, J-10 etc., and can rep a wide range of value hands if his opponent did mistakenly call with a small-mid pair, although it'd be pretty terrible of Kabbaj to bet-fold. Kabbaj was actually trapping Ivey with JJ. Ivey bet into pretty much the top of his range and still had 6 outs.

Overall he can find a much better spot but you can see some reasoning behind the move. Perhaps Kabbaj was showing down winning hands like K-J and J-10 after calling 3-bets PF.
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07-12-2014 , 03:35 AM
**** happens, even Ivey is prone to making questionable decisions. Remember when he didn't realize he had a flush a couple years back? I'd expect him to be even more motivated next year.
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07-12-2014 , 03:56 AM
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Originally Posted by Xman200
Kabbaj does not have an ace in his range. Ivey started the hand with 30 bb and Kabbaj had 100+ bb. Kabbaj is a solid pro and Ivey knows this. Ivey probably has a wide 3 bet range. AQ and AK are 4 bet shoving on Ivey. Mid-pairs should be shoving. Even small pocket pairs should be shoving or folding, not calling to set pedal against his below avg. stack. I guess u can argue it's +EV to try to hit a set to knock out Ivey from your table. So what does UTG call with? Maybe KQ, QJ suited, J-10 suited, 10-9 suited. AA-KK-QQ to trap.

Ivey has blockers to hands that are trapping him. He read the 80K bet as weak and made his move. He beats KQ, J-10 etc., and can rep a wide range of value hands if his opponent did mistakenly call with a small-mid pair, although it'd be pretty terrible of Kabbaj to bet-fold. Kabbaj was actually trapping Ivey with JJ. Ivey bet into pretty much the top of his range and still had 6 outs.

Overall he can find a much better spot but you can see some reasoning behind the move. Perhaps Kabbaj was showing down winning hands like K-J and J-10 after calling 3-bets PF.
Yeh, I think Ivey thought Kabbaj usually had some kind of high card hand.
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07-12-2014 , 04:01 AM
Pretty elaborate level saying it's a value bet. Well played.
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07-12-2014 , 04:13 AM
never mind. Phil Ivey rules and his play of this hand was not that bad. He probably had strong reasons to think Kabbaj was bluffing and Ivey is GOAT because he isn't a chicken, he is willing to risk everything on his reads and brilliant analysis.
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