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06-16-2017 , 02:09 AM
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Originally Posted by Itsnotatumah
The real question you should be asking is how many people were hitting ball over 300 yard average in 1997 when Woods turned pro? And how many are today? Ill answer such that you don't continue your intellectual conspiracy theory. In 1997 there was 1 person (not tiger. Tiger first did this first in 2004). In 2017 on the tour there were 42 players who did this. 42. FORTY TWO. Tiger had had many issues and the level of competition has significantly improved due to many variables. Ivey has also run into a 2017 filled with exceptional players playing perfect poker as a result of many factors. That in addition to his lack of motivation to get better and be the best (as well as other crap he is obviously dealing with legally) is the reason he is not the best. The oh he must have been cheating argument is lazy, oh so lazy.

The Tiger had had many issues and the level of competition has significantly improved due to many variables is lazy, oh so lazy.

Would you care to enlighten us on what exactly has improved about the competition, apart from the fact more than before can hit the ball further.

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06-16-2017 , 03:10 AM
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Originally Posted by Jay Why
Not really, he beat the players at the site he part owned, now he has to play on other sites he does not own, he no longer beats them.

Same opponents, opposite results. Hmm.
same opponents? is guy dropping tens of millions on pokerstars?
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06-16-2017 , 10:38 AM
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Originally Posted by Jay Why
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Originally Posted by Itsnotatumah
The real question you should be asking is how many people were hitting ball over 300 yard average in 1997 when Woods turned pro? And how many are today? Ill answer such that you don't continue your intellectual conspiracy theory. In 1997 there was 1 person (not tiger. Tiger first did this first in 2004). In 2017 on the tour there were 42 players who did this. 42. FORTY TWO. Tiger had had many issues and the level of competition has significantly improved due to many variables. Ivey has also run into a 2017 filled with exceptional players playing perfect poker as a result of many factors. That in addition to his lack of motivation to get better and be the best (as well as other crap he is obviously dealing with legally) is the reason he is not the best. The oh he must have been cheating argument is lazy, oh so lazy.

The Tiger had had many issues and the level of competition has significantly improved due to many variables is lazy, oh so lazy.

Would you care to enlighten us on what exactly has improved about the competition, apart from the fact more than before can hit the ball further.

I thought I did. There has been a 4200% increase in people who can hit the ball further. This means that their next shot is closer, and as a result they can control the ball more (spin etc) to get it closer on the following shot etc. That is the reason I believe the level of competition has increased. The point is not to talk about whether golf is better now rather than before obv and I am sure there are many people on here who know way more about golf then I do now or ever will.

Look, Mike Tyson was a world beater, and then he lost his edge (because of Robin Givens, drugs, too much money, lack of motivation, blah blah), and he was really never the same after losing to Buster Douglas. Does this mean he was cheating before? I'm not sure how many more examples you need.

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06-16-2017 , 07:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Rewdzx
obviously not. Granted this post was made in 2k14 so it was a bit different but now there are so many better players out there at 6max, HU, ring, mtts, PLO, etc. etc. etc. Ivey is probably still very very good and can probably compete at midstakes but idk about online highstakes and such. would he do well at a table with limitless, linus, otb, etc. ? prob not imo


Clearly u still don't get it. The players u mention are good at one game 100bb deep. Ivey is great at every single game at every stack depth. Besides put these guys in a live NL game 500bb deep (Iveys worst game) and he would destroy them.
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06-16-2017 , 07:13 PM
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Originally Posted by DownandUnder
Clearly u still don't get it. The players u mention are good at one game 100bb deep. Ivey is great at every single game at every stack depth. Besides put these guys in a live NL game 500bb deep (Iveys worst game) and he would destroy them.
I've heard this again, and I don't necessarily disagree, but what evidence do you have for this? I've never heard about this before this thread.

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06-17-2017 , 04:05 PM
Can't be the best if you are not playing.
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06-17-2017 , 04:40 PM
Are there any videos out there of hands with Ivey and Fedor?
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06-18-2017 , 07:47 PM
Yeah guys hes the worst

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06-18-2017 , 08:45 PM
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Originally Posted by blindedOut?
Yeah guys hes the worst

lol
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06-18-2017 , 09:47 PM
I think its because Ivey has won more money than Tiger on the golf course in the past 4 years, more money at baccarat than everyone who has posted to this site combined and probably more money in macau and aria than anyone else, so yeah he isn't very good.
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06-19-2017 , 09:59 AM
Phil Ivey can't beat the GTO, computer aided stars cash games so he's instantly a fish? If Ivey sat down in a live cash game with some of those guys I'd bet he wins. I would say Fedor is a better tournament player than ivey for sure but Ivey has slowed down in years.

We could also argue Viktor Blom is best player in world but we don't know cause like ivey he doesn't play everything.
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06-19-2017 , 10:44 AM
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Originally Posted by SuperSwag
Phil Ivey can't beat the GTO, computer aided stars cash games so he's instantly a fish? If Ivey sat down in a live cash game with some of those guys I'd bet he wins. I would say Fedor is a better tournament player than ivey for sure but Ivey has slowed down in years.

We could also argue Viktor Blom is best player in world but we don't know cause like ivey he doesn't play everything.
It says in the Terms and Conditions that real time software to help make decisions is not allowed. Why is Pokerstars letting this continue? They need to ban players and distribute the funds to those affected.
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06-19-2017 , 02:05 PM
Is there any word on Ivey playing any of the WSOP this year? I seen he is in Vegas
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06-19-2017 , 02:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Omahaisbetter
I think its because Ivey has won more money than Tiger on the golf course in the past 4 years, more money at baccarat than everyone who has posted to this site combined and probably more money in macau and aria than anyone else, so yeah he isn't very good.
That is nice, the remarkably private Phil Ivey has shared details of his results to you.

Would you care to show the proof of his golf winnings, his baccarat winnings, and even the faintest hint of evidence to support him being a winning player at Macau and Aria.

Circumstantially, his desperate cheating in the casinos with the dodgy cards, that would have got away with it until, ooh, at least the moment someone took a closer look at the cards, suggests his edge in proper poker has evaporated.
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06-19-2017 , 03:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Jay Why
That is nice, the remarkably private Phil Ivey has shared details of his results to you.

Would you care to show the proof of his golf winnings, his baccarat winnings, and even the faintest hint of evidence to support him being a winning player at Macau and Aria.

Circumstantially, his desperate cheating in the casinos with the dodgy cards, that would have got away with it until, ooh, at least the moment someone took a closer look at the cards, suggests his edge in proper poker has evaporated.
On the other side of the coin, what evidence do you have that his edge in poker has evaporated?
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06-19-2017 , 06:21 PM
not being the best poker in the world =/= having no edge in poker
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06-20-2017 , 01:50 AM
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Originally Posted by lcheckmatel
On the other side of the coin, what evidence do you have that his edge in poker has evaporated?
That he now loses online at Pokerstars to players he used to crush at Full Tilt.
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06-20-2017 , 01:21 PM
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Originally Posted by SuperSwag
We could also argue Viktor Blom is best player in world but we don't know cause like ivey he doesn't play everything.
Ummm... Viktor actually does play everything. (Ivey too).
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06-20-2017 , 01:24 PM
Why in the world would Ivey play the very hard online games to try and win hundreds of thousands per year... when he can devote his time to live games and win that much per week?
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06-20-2017 , 03:27 PM
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Originally Posted by AllJackedUp
Why in the world would Ivey play the very hard online games to try and win hundreds of thousands per year... when he can devote his time to live games and win that much per week?
This...
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06-21-2017 , 09:25 PM
The big dog himself is in Bobbys room right now.
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06-21-2017 , 11:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Jay Why
That is nice, the remarkably private Phil Ivey has shared details of his results to you.

Would you care to show the proof of his golf winnings, his baccarat winnings, and even the faintest hint of evidence to support him being a winning player at Macau and Aria.

Circumstantially, his desperate cheating in the casinos with the dodgy cards, that would have got away with it until, ooh, at least the moment someone took a closer look at the cards, suggests his edge in proper poker has evaporated.
I don't think taking edges given to you in a casino game made for you to lose = you have no edge in poker anymore. Just kind of laughable.
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06-22-2017 , 12:52 AM
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Originally Posted by A_Schupick
I don't think taking edges given to you in a casino game made for you to lose = you have no edge in poker anymore. Just kind of laughable.
It seems a sign of desperation on is part that he does such things, I mean, anyone can tell that the casinos will be suspicious and look for reasons not to pay, as exploiting that had led to bans before, and the evidence against Ivey is there in the actual cards used in the games and on casino footage, so he has been just as silly as Torelli in cheating while being filmed.

There may still be some edges somewhere for him in poker, just not in online tracked poker.
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06-22-2017 , 01:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Jay Why
That he now loses online at Pokerstars to players he used to crush at Full Tilt.
How do you know the username in question is Phil Ivey? Has he ever confirmed it?

Seems like you have based your opinion on speculation.
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06-22-2017 , 05:39 PM
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Originally Posted by GazzyB123
The big dog himself is in Bobbys room right now.
The line must be out the door to play him since he can't win anymore...
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