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07-14-2014 , 01:35 PM

#76

RitualChaos

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here here

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07-14-2014 , 01:43 PM

#77

RichGangi

Laughable false & highly douchey

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Originally Posted by Donk Quixote

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07-14-2014 , 01:50 PM

#78

bulls_horn

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So according to broke-ass internet posters, PI has been overtaken as the best.

How do the pros feel about this? You know, the people who play all the time, and actually interact with the contenders. Has their attitude changed?

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07-14-2014 , 02:29 PM

#79

LektorAJ

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Originally Posted by razorsharp

So you have to always do well in the Main Event???

If you were to take everyone's results at the main event 2003-2014, and top-and-tail it to remove the single biggest cash and the single worst result (i.e. one of the non-cashes), how many people actually have a better record than Ivey anyway?

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07-14-2014 , 02:44 PM

#80

SteveMcQueen

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I wonder if any number of people unfairly root against Phil Ivey, not because of him per se, but because they just don't want to read/hear Andrew Feldman repeatedly pepper ESPN with the never-gets-old line of "Some guy named Phil Ivey...", and HIS ranking system.

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07-14-2014 , 03:02 PM

#81

happypanda

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Originally Posted by stonesfcr

or maybe we can settle for a Messi of cash games?

So someone who makes it to the big game and chokes.

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07-14-2014 , 03:13 PM

#82

PeteBlow

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Surprised we haven't hear from that dick, Brilliant27 yet.

Then again, he searches his own name all the time so now I've mentioned him, he's bound to turn up in a minute...

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07-14-2014 , 03:34 PM

#83

Exothermic

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jerry yang>>

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07-14-2014 , 03:48 PM

#84

kevmode

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Originally Posted by Hardball47

Who cares? Wtf does it matter?

Worry about your own game.

I couldn't of said it better my self.

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07-14-2014 , 04:45 PM

#85

MKarne

adept

Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 762

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Originally Posted by Auca32

I know I will get a lot of hate for saying this but I actually think Isildur is one of the best overall players. He's good at plo, decent at holdem, great at 2-7, good at omaha 8, got some sick mtt scores when you take into account how few he plays and is one of the best online mixed game players (and maybe the best hu).

Maybe his scores beat ivey lately but he is nowhere as good as gus.

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07-14-2014 , 05:03 PM

#86

MKarne

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Iveys bad run online still makes him the 2nd best online player, though if thinking his drop, one might rate him lower but one doesnt get that bad that fast, and his tournament results say he has mostly eye problems with the monitor. He has high ability at mixed games so he is scoring at tournaments. Nosebleeds dont run as often as they used to, and even normally running highest limits seem to have just marginal winners these days, and even that doesnt come easy, maybe counting out some smith who wins a couple of millions during some year. Some top players seem to be immune, as any year i have looked the scores, they have been scoring.

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07-14-2014 , 09:37 PM

#87

bjsmith22

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Originally Posted by MKarne

when?

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07-14-2014 , 09:58 PM

#88

jhn_lundgren

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Originally Posted by CursedbyaGypsy

When you win 10 bracelets at that young of an age, and when you final table almost every tournament you play (in every game possible), and when your peers all agree that you're an absolute shark, and when you have so many deep runs in main events, and when you win in literally all televised cash games you play, then you're the best player in the world.

He might have lost $4.5m but how much has he won online over the years?

My only problem with Ivey is that he is a gambler. If he only focuses on Poker, he literally could be one of the richest people around.

I mean, he just won a bracelet and was chip leader of the main event on day 3 or 4. That means something.

so you're saying he shouldn't bother w BACCARAT or CHEMIN de FER ?

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07-14-2014 , 11:26 PM

#89

clfst17

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Best player of all-time? Has everyone already forgotten the true king of poker:

Spoiler:

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07-15-2014 , 12:31 AM

#90

ViktorH

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Thuritz better than Ivey in mixed games according to Ivey.

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07-15-2014 , 01:09 AM

#91

Love_the_game

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just finished watching the aussie millions 2014 cash game. ivey crushed the game. hes still easily one of the best

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07-15-2014 , 01:21 AM

#92

whyem

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Originally Posted by Love_the_game

just finished watching the aussie millions 2014 cash game. ivey crushed the game. hes still easily one of the best

Where can I watch these episodes? I watched all 6 parts on YouTube, has more episodes come out?

Ty

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07-15-2014 , 01:40 AM

#93

Love_the_game

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Originally Posted by whyem

Where can I watch these episodes? I watched all 6 parts on YouTube, has more episodes come out?

Ty

oh i was talking about the 6 episodes on youtube. didnt know there was more

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07-15-2014 , 04:50 AM

#94

TrustyRombone

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ivey makes the best photoshop threads. who gives a **** about poker??

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07-15-2014 , 01:38 PM

#95

ChickenDave

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OP flames Micro PG&C threads and posts thread stating that he can't beat the Micros after years of trying.

Is now qualified to say that the second biggest online poker winner of all time won't be able to beat 2Knl in a few years. On the basis of a downswing and two televised hands.

Welcome to TwoPlusTwo

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07-15-2014 , 04:03 PM

#96

Tommy_Tomich969

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Originally Posted by hankypankyAA

I remember a few years ago everyone said ben lamb was the best player in the world, how's he been doing in tourneys lately? Welcome to variance-ville. It doesn't matter how good you are there's a ridiculous amount of luck involved in poker, in particular in tournaments with 7,000 players, 6,000 of which all grasp the concept of poker theory and now know that aj, at, kj, kt, jq, <99 are trash in early position. This wasn't the case 15 years ago, the players have absolutely improved.

The guy hardly plays any tournaments.

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07-15-2014 , 04:06 PM

#97

Tommy_Tomich969

old hand

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Originally Posted by ChickenDave

You are on to it man. Remember, any live poker player who can't beat high stakes online is a fish according to NVG and you'll fit right it.

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07-15-2014 , 04:18 PM

#98

Pharoah00

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I don't think it's possible to come to the conclusion of who clearly is the best overall poker player when you include all the different formats. I think you need to take all the big stake players from each game and just do a poll. If they were smart they'd vote for whoever was the biggest action player.

To comment about the other topic in the thread, i have a feeling limit hold em and 7 card stud are going to make a comeback in cash games. Tournaments are still going to be big pot games, for obvious reasons.