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Originally Posted by borg23
I've said it before and I'll say it again. Against a 5 year old who puts paper 90 percent of the time In rock paper scissors the guy with a brain puts down scissors over and over again and the gto boy randomizes and puts rock paper scissors down each 1/3 of the time and he wins in the process.
He still wins but nowhere near what he should.
This ties into the huge misunderstandings of GTO on poker forums.
It's an overloaded term. What you're describing is "equilibrium". Equilibrium strategies are unexploitalbe, but I'd say we shouldn't even call this GTO, because it's not even optimal (the O in GTO).
The exploitative strategy is optimal.
If you look up a generic GTO solution it's going to show you equilbirium because there's 1 of those and effectively infinite exploitative solutions, but that doesn't mean you study solvers to stick to equilbirum no matter what. It's a strawman that nobody argues.
Here's a mathematical fact : there exists a GTO solution that maximally exploits the chicken farmer's strategy.
The best way to find that exploitative, GTO , chicken-farmer-crusher strategy is by doing solver work.
Exploitaitive strategy means solver work, but it's been co-opted by people who mean "making **** up / playing by feels". Why? Because studying is hard. And there's a massive market of people who don't want to study but want to feel like theyre learning anyway.
What content do you think will do better, content that tells traders they can buy Gamestop stock and SHIB token and go to the moon, or deep dives on Black-Scholes models and Kelly criterion? Obviously the first will do better in a consumer market but Wall St quants are using the latter. And similarly, content that says you can play "exploitatively" will say you don't need to study solvers but people actually doing effective exploitative poker are studying solvers.
And sure you can beat the chicken-farmer without it but you'll beat him for a lot more if you study actual GTO/exploitative poker to figure out how. And if you actually hang out in the poker community long enough, it's obvious that the vast majority of top players like Haxton, Chidwick, Foxen, Polk have all talked solvers quite extensively while the dudes hawking "you don't need GTO to beat 1/2" are still playing 1/2 instead of , you know, beating it and moving up.