Diablo Savant is the worst ****ing idiot ever to face the internet and I hope his parents ground him. Seriously he has to be the worst ever, and I'm including every single person in the rigtard thread which is saying a lot.

Do you use any custom or proprietary learning tools or software to coach your team members off table? Is it primarily a rev share for coaching deal, or more of a joint br thing or both? How long do you anticipate until online poker degenerates into an intractable bot war, say >= 50% of all accounts on all sites being automation fed?

Bolded part goes without saying. It's like arbitrage. As soon as others know about it, it's value is gone.

I don't get why so much hate. He is just advocating to do the smart thing.
Botting has close to zero legal repercussions. I wish i had a bot too.
MBVFN to have one honestly.
Who doesn't like free money. People will lose their $ to the site anyway...

nah

if anybody itt actually played online poker still, they'd know how hysterical and ludicrous this whole BOTS ARE GONNA TAKE OVER, PREPARE FOR ARMAGEDDON doomcasting is

Complete nonsense.

This

IMHO, pure speculation full of anxiety itt.

what a random bump

I guess what worries me is that I've played millions of hands of online poker and I have never got a refund for playing against a bot.

Clearly after playing millions of hands I must have come accross more than a few bots, but have never been compensated for it ever.

So whats going on here? Is Stars actually detecting these bots? And if they detect them are they just not compensating players out of fear of losing their reputation?

Personally, it is my opinion that 10 Zoom is over run with bots, although I haven't taken the time to prove this.

I know, right? I mean, who would have thought that someone who advocated cheating on a forum full of poker players would take any flack? So odd.

Well, I'm sure everyone appreciates knowing that you would cheat if you knew how. Something to keep in mind if they see you at the tables.

Well, it's not exactly free money, but to answer your question - people who don't believe in cheating others to get "free money"

But thanks for your hot take on this, almost 3 years later.

I don't really understand how they were able to program the bots to be better than the best HU players, because wouldn't that essentially mean that the human who programmed the bot, possessed more playing skills than the best HU players in order to know how to make the bot superior to the human's skills?

Is it just that the bots are better able to adapt over time because they can use the hand history information so much more efficiently than a human is capable of ?

It also seems like getting a bot good enough to beat the very best players at full-ring NL would be so much tougher than HU because the variables are exponentially greater with more players, and I would think it would be tough for a program to weigh all those variables on a case by case basis.

For instance, sometimes when we are faced with a tough decision, the majority of the information we have available points towards a fold being the best decision 95% of the time. But suppose we notice that he is steaming from a previous hand, and therefore decide that information should override our normal analysis?

Maybe not the best example, and maybe bots are already capable of that..? But seems to me like the human ability to combine logic and reasoning to our decision making process, would be something that would be very tough to recreate.

Or maybe I'm looking at it backwards, and maybe the tougher and more complex the decision tree the bigger the more room there is for bots to make comparatively better decisions.

I’m to lazy to properly respond but

A) bots don’t have emotion or get tired
B) humans can’t remember every correct play in every spot - like a computer could

That's not how AI works anymore. They just input the game rules and let the bot play itself and work out optimal strategy by trial and error. No human strategy input is required.

E.g. AlphaGoZero - https://www.nature.com/articles/nature24270

The Hearthstone's EU region has maybe still at this moment a ton of players as bots in casual games as an obvious show put up by someone. They all use randomly generated nicks, more or less the same cards and style and so on. They have thousands of humans playing at the same time and they are not necessarily in majority at this time, depending on how advanced you are in Hearthstone (you are then matched differently).

There has always been bots but not this many and maybe no one ever really detected them before, or there were strong opinions. Count in the cheat codes (hacked) used in some other games, but whatever, the top players still are humans and often play live also. The situation can, however, get way worse and the detection needs to pick them out faster.

It's called machine learning. I don't know exactly how it works, but it basically means that the machine can "learn" a skill like a human can, but it can do it far more efficiently and with far greater success.

No not the bots but skill of many players will kill the game. 2nl players 3bet and 4bet, is that normal? Its not so fun too start with poker for fish comeing into the game.

You go all-in with a random hand against a bot and you still have like 30% chance to win.

Hi all!

This will look to many as pessimistic view, but I think it's a self-evident truth that there will be a day where the online-poker scene will look a lot like the chess one (every time you have real money, even a few cents, there will be bots all over the place). The only question is whether this will happen 2, 5, 10 or 20 years from now (and evidence suggests it's more like one of the earlier choices, depending on how actively the sites fight against them, and how smart the cheaters act)

So the question is, what next? Live poker will be there for a very long time, but I personally think online poker serves as great marketing (I just don't understand why casinos are constantly trying to ban it, when it's their main source of new players), but is there still something we can do about online to delay the inevitable?

Captchas and other type of anti-bot measures won't really do the job, but can we change the game itself? Maybe some poker variant, or an extended deck can make the game harder for bots to master while keeping the same strategies useful for humans?

there is no money in chess because its a pure game of skill, not because of bots.

But the chess analogy has some logic, in that live chess at times is played for considerable money, whereas online chess as far as I know never is. Computers.

OP, you are the first person to post this end of world belief structure today with your user name. However, and this may shock you, others have posted a lot about this, and several threads exist where bots are discussed, both in rational terms and doomsday terms.

While the world may end at the hands of the evil robots, you can still do your best to use the internet more effectively in the future, and learning how to search for threads and discussions, rather than posting a redundant and a relatively content-less opinion is a great way to start that journey.

All the best.

as a first point; yay, another poker is dead themed thread.

What is the conversion rate of online poker players transitioning to other real money games? As you suggest that it brings the site new players.. which I highly doubt.

extending the deck is no option for all sorts of reasons but the main reason is that bots simply include the extended decks in the algorithms. And how do you keep strategies for humans the same if the deck has more cards? does not compute.

I like bots.

lulz

I'm not sure what's worse. Bots, or the relentless fear-mongering.