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Originally Posted by sqwerty12
Effective rake is only an issue in online poker because multitabling regs make the games so absurdly dreadful. Effective rake is virtually irrelevant in live poker because the games are juicy and win rates greater even though live rake per hand is so much higher in both % and cap. The concept of effective rake is largely irrelevant in live poker because a much larger proportion of pots hit the rake cap which is a good thing.
OP is right (not for the reasons he states though) - Nano stakes are terrible for the poker economy. All they do is allow beginners to get in at the ground level and learn how to multi-table effectively and play a horrible form of poker that is (marginally) profitable. Why the hell would you want to allow that? Online players are so focussed on effective rake and being able to eek out a miniscule win rate it's laughable.
Live 1/2 is ridiculously soft because for beginners and recs it's usually their only option. Visit casino's where the smallest game is 2/5 and it's even better.
Why in the world decent players would argue that nano stakes should exist is completely beyond me. Why you'd want to 24-table NL2 for a smaller hourly than you could make single-tabling NL200 if it was the smallest game running is also beyond me.
THIS.
Plus even when short stackers play in any 1/2 or 2/5 live game it doesn't take away from the game almost at all. They aren't jamming pre every time trying to flip it a few times, they mostly limp and call raises until they get to $15 and say "oh well" then usually leave.
The mass table grinding cash games has hurt the game a lot since most people since game selection is atrocious for most sites and fish don't have all day long to play a large field MTT. Mass tabling MTT's is not really a problem though due to timing out and inflating the prize pools. I actually enjoy when ppl are chatting in the box online it lets me at least know they are human.
I really believe bovada has hit the nail on the head, limited tables, anonymous is good because there is always some moron posting a fish's sharkscope when he gets stacked and hurts the game, easier for collusion yes, better for the long term game yes, ironic, maybe. 25-25NL should be lowest stakes offered as people will be chatty playing one table, helps create more action instead of fold fold fold, fish would be able to see an actual profit if they made a little cash.