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A dollar today isn't worth the same as 10 years ago. Poker sites need to adjust for inflation.

Isn't it about time we get rid of 2NL and the tournaments equivalent?

5NL and 10NL would become considerably softer.

And then in a few years they should get rid of 5NL and so on.

What do you guys think?

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02-01-2015 , 04:38 PM

YappingYoda

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Originally Posted by Albert Socrates

Why? If some people like to play those stakes just for fun, and the site is willing to let them, what's the harm?

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02-01-2015 , 04:43 PM

DaJoker1988

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He can´t beat NL2 and if there wouldnt be any NL2 he would play NL10 and he would be an NL10 reg and so on ...

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02-01-2015 , 04:44 PM

BeenAWhile

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At least here in germany inflation has been less than 2% per annum on average during the last 10 years so based on that your splendid idea needs to wait for a couple of years yet

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02-01-2015 , 04:50 PM

Albert Socrates

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Originally Posted by DaJoker1988

He can´t beat NL2 and if there wouldnt be any NL2 he would play NL10 and he would be an NL10 reg and so on ...

I play 25NL.

I think it'd be better for the healthy of the games if the nano stakes went away.

Why do you think Live poker is so soft? If Live poker started at 25c/50c. 1/2 would be much tougher.

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02-01-2015 , 04:51 PM

SuperDuperTilt

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What am I going to do when I'm drunk?

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02-01-2015 , 04:55 PM

ScreaminAsian

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view: nano stakes need to go rakeless.

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02-01-2015 , 04:55 PM

Kelvis

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Originally Posted by SuperDuperTilt

What am I going to do when I'm drunk?

Lose that money faster

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02-01-2015 , 04:58 PM

atisz

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Originally Posted by Albert Socrates

A dollar today isn't worth the same as 10 years ago.

I guess 99% of the players don't use USD in their own country. I'm talking about the ROW players of course, and to those players the $ might worth the same as it did 10 years ago.
Also, I believe minimum 50% of the players live in a country where the average salary is less than $700/month, so they can't really afford to play higher limits. Taking Hungary as an example, where recent studies showed the average savings for 20-30 year old working people is $50/month. It can be more of course if one lives with his/her parents, doesn't own a car, etc.

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02-01-2015 , 05:00 PM

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DaycareInferno

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Originally Posted by Albert Socrates

I play 25NL.

I think it'd be better for the healthy of the games if the nano stakes went away.

I play 50NL

I think it'd be better for the healthy of the games if 25NL and below went away.

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02-01-2015 , 05:02 PM

#11

BeenAWhile

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has there ever been a thread starting with "View: " that was not utterly ******ed?

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02-01-2015 , 05:11 PM

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greatwhite

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No, the world shouldn't revolve around a pro who wants to take more money from the fishes. If there's demand for .01-.02 let them play .01-.02

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02-01-2015 , 05:12 PM

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Albert Socrates

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Originally Posted by DaycareInferno

I play 50NL

I think it'd be better for the healthy of the games if 25NL and below went away.

I wouldn't mind

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02-01-2015 , 05:13 PM

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Padstoodup

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Originally Posted by Albert Socrates

I think it is one of the most bizarre suggestions I have ever heard.

Take the cheapest option off all menus as we can all afford to pay for more expensive dishes.

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02-01-2015 , 05:23 PM

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YappingYoda

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Originally Posted by greatwhite

No, the world shouldn't revolve around a pro who wants to take more money from the fishes. If there's demand for .01-.02 let them play .01-.02

Exactly. Whatever level a pro plays at, he would want all levels below him abolished so that all the fish will move up to him. Sorry to inform you guys, but the world doesn't revolve around your needs. People want to play those lower stakes, so as long as the sites can collect rake they'll keep them open.

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02-01-2015 , 05:28 PM

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AEAB1105

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I actually agree with OP completely, smallest stakes offered should be 25NL.

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02-01-2015 , 05:34 PM

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DaJoker1988

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...oh wait youre a poker player

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02-01-2015 , 05:36 PM

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333totti333

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Originally Posted by Albert Socrates

What do you guys think?

I think you're a nutter.

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02-01-2015 , 05:42 PM

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Bobo Fett

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Originally Posted by Albert Socrates

A dollar today isn't worth the same as 10 years ago. Poker sites need to adjust for inflation.

So your answer to ~30% inflation (that's probably high) is to increase the lowest stake by 150%?

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02-01-2015 , 05:45 PM

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smokybacon

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Definitely a good idea. The bigger the smallest stakes offered, the more chance someone with average poker ability in a Western nation can actually make a meaningful amount of money in the game. This links back to the 'decline of the Western poker pro' thread. 2nl recreationals would be forced to play 50nl/100nl/whatever minimum stakes were offered.

Sites obviously won't change it though, because they rake a fortune from nano and micro stakes.

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02-01-2015 , 05:46 PM

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Benjola

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If I remember correctly nanos and micros didn't exist in the early 2000s on Party, Stars or any other site and should have stayed that way.
Learning poker was and should have stayed a baptism by fire.
You learn much more about the game, people, yourself and life in general when losses hurt a bit.
Playing micros is more or less same as playing play money, worthless experience.
I can understand adding micros in India or countries where you can ball outta control for a week with 100 bucks or so but in the west, only the sites profit from it.

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02-01-2015 , 05:57 PM

#22

sixfour

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well by op's rationale the main event should be like a $60k buy in

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02-01-2015 , 05:57 PM

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paletokio

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Why not 0.005/0.01 ?

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02-01-2015 , 05:59 PM

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TooRareToDie

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Originally Posted by Albert Socrates

No

I think it's nice to allow people from poor countries to take money of rich countries, while everyone has fun, and it basically happens in mutual agreement.