Agree. Really dislike him for being the dramaqueen he is but when he streams he is wery wery wery entertaining to watch.

Exactly. Doug is so far superior to Dwan and Ferguson. They aren’t even in his league.

I can't speak for LA games. But Vegas games, Chicago area games, St. Louis area games, Mississippi games, Louisville games, ...none of these are as easy as you describe. I'm not saying that these are difficult games, but to say that they're comparable to $2nl in 2008 is ludicrous. I agree that winning $900 in 40 sessions would be a ridiculous underachievement, but no one is capable of consistently turning $100 into $1000 with an 80% success rate in these games.

Also, where are these $100nl and smaller live games that you speak about? I have never actively searched for such games, but I don't believe I have ever seen anything less than $200nl in any casino nlhe game.

Beyond that the guy you are quoting is an absolute moron the entire point is to WATCH doug polk attempt to build the bankroll from $100 to 10k every step of the way. How the **** exactly is he going to do that from some random 1/2 game in a casino lmao.

theres .50/$1 in vegas and every LA casino has a $100 and under game

chicago everyone plays home games that are even more soft

mississippi is the softest state in the nation after louisiana


ive never been to st louis or louisville so i can't comment but i'd still imagine they'd be incredibly softer than playing on wsop.com which doug basically admits is a terrible site to try to win on.

the point is to market the training site to low stakes players and show them that if they play low stakes with perfect doug polk poker they can grind out a significant amount of money and move up in stakes quickly. the bankroll challenge has been kind of a hilarious counter-example of that.

the easiest way to move up to midstakes is to play live. idk why anyone would contest this. moving out of midstakes is hard to do live because its much less likely you can find high stakes action or even put in enough consistent midstakes volume unless you're in a few areas. but if you're a lowstakes player and trying to break out by playing online you're basically a fish for life imo.

That's cynical subjective bull**** that you pulled out of your ass.


The point is to entertain his audience which he can't do from a casino you idiot.

Challenge won't take long with run-good involved:

Sunday Night Run Good

thats why neeme has as many or more viewers a video right lol

ya it is cynical but marketing is the most cynical industry there is pretty much. completing the bankroll challenge would definitely boost the brand of upswing poker with the biggest demographic of customers it could pull from. otherwise running up $100 into $1000-$1500 and then bricking multiple $300 bullets and going back to your same bull**** is like baby's first 10 experiences on an online poker site and not really going to inspire anyone.

I suppose it's possible, but I've never seen $0.50/$1 games in Vegas.


I don't agree, but even if it's assumed to be true, this wasn't the point that either of us were making.


This I agree with. Every $1/$2 live casino game is very likely to be softer than the wsop.com $50nl games. But this isn't the same as saying that the games are the same as $2nl circa 2008. Or that someone could turn $100 into $1000 with an 80% rate of success in these games.

neeme’s great, but his results are unverified.

I've never played $2nl in my life, and that's basically a meaningless game IMO so I don't really care about any comparisons to that game, and if you're a world class player you should have no problem busting every player at your table in the average low stakes NL game, over the course of an average session.

The only reason I could ever see myself playing $2nl is to shove to tilt players that get angry over Doug Polk buying in $320 on a $1300 roll that everyone knows is a pretend bankroll anyways.

That was sick, ... a one outer on the river.

Neeme doesn't live stream on Twitch but okay, nice comparison i guess?

Also, just as a final note on the overall point I’ve been making.

It’s a fundamental reality of low stakes poker that the natural player pool is pretty much always going to be bad. To learn poker you have to play poker and to play poker costs money. So naturally players that are just starting to learn or straight up don’t want to learn are going to be mostly in the low stakes. Low stakes games are always going to be filled with the worst players. That online poker is becoming increasingly difficult to win at in even the low stakes even if you’re a world class player really reflects a depressing reality of online poker in that the sites are all doing bad marketing and mostly the player pool is filling up with multi-tabling regs, bots, colluders, and people using solvers.

It’s not just a case of “lol live players” it’s just kind of how it is now online and if Doug actually wants to market a story of “win big playing small and make it to midstakes” in 2018 he should honestly just advocate for playing live and do some live small stakes content instead of playing on a site he openly considers terrible to try to play on and sarcastically tagging people who limp as sharks then losing half the value of his make believe bankroll to them over the course of a tournament.

Didn't he win a comp each of the last 2 days since he returned to BRC action?
2 wins from about 20 to 25 comps entered.

(Lol sample size but he dominated for the most part in the comps he ran deep in and demonstrated quite a gulf in playing skill and strat knowhow)

He (deliberately) barely mentioned any strat to the audience throughout, so I think it's more an exercise in brand building, brand awareness, plus a little bit of brand repair (JNandez feud etc), than it's an outright "you can do this too".

Third level thinking is completely useless against someone that has no idea what you are doing.

doug seems whiney af and is not a poker legend and his videos and voice are terrible

So DP is a confirmed multi-million dollar winner at the highest stakes available online but according to the court of public opinion, his micro stakes profitability is questionable at best

The "move up to where the respect your raise" truthers have finally been validated after over a decade's wait

Yeah that is quite interesting. So both guys can beat midstakes but are struggling at micros...Maybe the reason is just low motivation. They both KNOW they can beat it, but they just can't proof it...

Doug would beat all of you using only his pinky to click. Super embarrassing. But just wait till you see SrslySirius' new mix.....

I think since 2012 till now it was a big difference between micros and mid to high stakes, always easier to win from NL100 and up than NL 5 or NL10.

What is best name for thread like this? Surreal? Hot weather, alcohol and drug consuption, nightclubbing instead of sleep and you are here.

This is funny cuz the site I play on you can find mid stakes players playing that low just to grind points. I'm pretty I even saw a $1k nl/plo reg in my micro games too lol, that's unnerving when you sit down and see a player that you know can crush the entire table. Micros aint no joke in 2018!

Fairly certain this will be Doug Polk's last bankroll challenge.

so

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hate.

so

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salt.


You guys are unreal. I think we can all agree that it's perfectly fair to say Doug probably regrets this challenege and wishes he could just back out.

However, it's obviously not because he can't beat micro's...he is probably just bored as **** and quickly realized playing for cheeseburgers isn't fun for him anymore (even when streaming). I could be wrong, maybe he still enjoys it, but there is just an unreal amount of unjustified hatred being spewed on this forum. It's actually disgusting.