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07-28-2018 , 05:44 PM
The two big names from upswing both have dodgy records when you think about it. Doug probably doesn't have a winning 6 max graph over a sample in his DB and Fee's main claim to fame is a couple of mid stakes bum hunting graphs from 2009. I'm not impressed.
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07-28-2018 , 05:46 PM
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Originally Posted by zippyroo
I'm a subscriber to his course. I think it's pretty good. Moreover, I'm sure he's experienced enough to make the correct adjustments at lower stakes.
You do realize the man made millions, literally millions, beating the best players heads up for rolls. He has won several WSOP bracelets.
Not only am I one of his subscribers, I have bought t-shirts off his site and wear them to the casino proudly. I am more proud to be a member of Upswing than I was when I joined the Crips.
I'd love to have 5 minutes to pick his brain. He's a great player and a good instructor.
I would add, Ryan Fee and Fried are awesome as well.
I don't blame anyone with such knowledge to minimize the variance of poker by creating a steady cash flow from teaching. And the price is reasonable. Take Alec Torelli, for example. That man wants $3,000 to coach someone.
lol, very good line.
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07-28-2018 , 05:47 PM
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Originally Posted by zippyroo
I'm a subscriber to his course. I think it's pretty good. Moreover, I'm sure he's experienced enough to make the correct adjustments at lower stakes.
You do realize the man made millions, literally millions, beating the best players heads up for rolls. He has won several WSOP bracelets.
Not only am I one of his subscribers, I have bought t-shirts off his site and wear them to the casino proudly. I am more proud to be a member of Upswing than I was when I joined the Crips.
I'd love to have 5 minutes to pick his brain. He's a great player and a good instructor.
I would add, Ryan Fee and Fried are awesome as well.
I don't blame anyone with such knowledge to minimize the variance of poker by creating a steady cash flow from teaching. And the price is reasonable. Take Alec Torelli, for example. That man wants $3,000 to coach someone.
Do you have any proof for this please?

His highstakesdb graphs on Full Tilt and Pokerstars are $2.16 million in combined profit. So "millions" is more like a couple of million. Secondly, we have no clue who he played to make that profit.

I'm happy to be proved wrong, but as far as I'm aware, there's zero evidence he beat "the best players" for their entire roll.
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07-28-2018 , 05:59 PM
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Originally Posted by SpinMeRightRound
Do you have any proof for this please?

His highstakesdb graphs on Full Tilt and Pokerstars are $2.16 million in combined profit. So "millions" is more like a couple of million. Secondly, we have no clue who he played to make that profit.

I'm happy to be proved wrong, but as far as I'm aware, there's zero evidence he beat "the best players" for their entire roll.
"Heads up for rolls" is a common expression for a heads-up challenge in which two people are not literally playing for their entire rolls. I don't know Doug's career results, but he did pretty well against some guy named sauce--he took him for $750k plus a 6-figure side bet. Not sure how much that means, though, as I haven't seen any proof that sauce is beating micros these days either.

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07-28-2018 , 06:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Maximus122
Ya I think the challenge should have been finished in 3 months tops.

Zapahzamazki is streaming every day on Twithch doing a $100 to 10k challenge and is on $5,500 already after 7 days. He has done this multiple times.

I was a lab member and the site does have a good coach called Freied Moulders who beats and plays 500 zoom regularly. Does good PIO stuff as well.

Doug obviously has the best poker brain on the site but for some reason he only covers the basics. I'm not sure why this is.
I think you’re confusing poker brain with being articulate.
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07-28-2018 , 06:05 PM
Sick level OP

Lock it up
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07-28-2018 , 06:09 PM
Jnandez PayPal'd op some money to start this thread, confirmed.
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07-28-2018 , 06:22 PM
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Originally Posted by WCGRider

Also, turning $100 into $1000 in 40 sessions is confirmed "cant beat microstakes"
I ain't sayin' you can't beat microstakes, or small stakes, or even mid stakes. I am pretty sure that you could, if you wanted to do so. But you don't want to do so.

Go back and watch your own video released just before the challenge started, where you laid out your exact plans to beat this challenge, the right way, the sure way.

You're doing none of what you said you would do. You're just over extending your bankroll and riding variance wherever it takes you.

You have an edge in the games, I'm sure, but not nearly the edge that you believe that you have. No doubt you could crush, if you studied, if you prepared, if you did some work, like you did when you actually crushed games in the past. But you're not going to do it, and that's your decision, but please stop saying that your current +$1000 upswing is proof of anything.

You've played $100NL and $100PLO during this challenge, maybe even higher, idk. But I do know that being up $1000 doing what you're doing is proof of nothing, except that you haven't busted the bankroll, ...yet.
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07-28-2018 , 06:30 PM
More Doug Polk NVG threads is better!
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07-28-2018 , 06:35 PM
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Originally Posted by KB24
This is especially ironic since he's so vocal about Dwan not finishing his challenge. .
Saying this is especially stupid because Dawn owed serious money for years and Polk is doing this "for free" imo.
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07-28-2018 , 06:37 PM
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Originally Posted by zippyroo
Take Alec Torelli, for example. That man wants $3,000 to coach someone.
Proper angles don't come cheap my man
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07-28-2018 , 06:56 PM
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Originally Posted by WCGRider
Sort of amazing timing, will be posting something in the next day or two

Also, turning $100 into $1000 in 40 sessions is confirmed "cant beat microstakes"
Wait, so you post-hoc changed the stipulations of your own challenge and then pretend that's a win?

Lol I guess you funneled enough traffic to your training site to not need to finish the challenge.

Good for you but such transparent motivations don't exactly make you look good.
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07-28-2018 , 06:58 PM
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Originally Posted by SpinMeRightRound
So "millions" is more like a couple of million.
And a couple of million is...

Spoiler:
...millions!
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07-28-2018 , 06:59 PM
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Originally Posted by TwitchySeal
More Doug Polk NVG threads is better!
Probably owns part of company now..seems to be the face of 2+2

Doug and Mason equally dislike Danny negranny so have mutual respect for each other
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07-28-2018 , 07:03 PM
Is there a DP containment thread? If not, why not? NVG is getting stupid to even look at now that it’s constantly about him. Mods should lock these pointless threads or merge them in containment. It’s not even fun to peruse NVG anymore since it’s basically all Doug all the time. Can’t imagine lurkers and/or new members will be tempted to stick around long with this constant Doug barrage.
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07-28-2018 , 07:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Freemoneykev
Proper angles don't come cheap my man
Well played sir.
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07-28-2018 , 07:38 PM
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Originally Posted by zeta kiss
I watched WCG on Joey's pod the other day. He vehemently said he dislikes playing poker and will never study it gain. Different argument from OP, but likewise a bit specious for the guy to be running a platform for those that do.
Where in the video does he say that? I’d like to see that but I’m not about to watch 2 hours.
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07-28-2018 , 07:46 PM
Only one way to resolve this OP v Doug in a boxing match $10K to the winner
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07-28-2018 , 07:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Dr. Meh
Is there a DP containment thread? If not, why not? NVG is getting stupid to even look at now that it’s constantly about him. Mods should lock these pointless threads or merge them in containment. It’s not even fun to peruse NVG anymore since it’s basically all Doug all the time. Can’t imagine lurkers and/or new members will be tempted to stick around long with this constant Doug barrage.
Thank you for your thoughts.

In the future, please post your thoughts on moderation and/or what moderators should do in the NVG moderation thread stickied at the top of the forum, send a post report by clicking on the red triangle thingy next to every post in the thread, or PM one or more forum mods.
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07-28-2018 , 08:16 PM
Doug/Upswing have obviously hit some bumps in the road in recent days, so my hunch is that him getting back on the Bankroll challenge grind is a form of redemption for him.

I agree with a previous poster that to make it authentic, because that is the point of it isn't it?, to show aspiring players that they can win and move up the stakes the right way, that he should stick to strict BRM and game selection.

If he can, and get to $10K in decent time then redemption is his and some of his haters will naturally STFU.
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07-28-2018 , 09:38 PM
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Originally Posted by zeta kiss
It starts at the 24-minute mark, assuming we're talking about the same video.
That’s really sad since his Upswing Lab is the greatest poker training product ever created. Better than any bookor coaching. He can turn a complete donkey into a high stakes winner.
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07-28-2018 , 11:41 PM
Props to Doug for shipping the tourney tonight.
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07-29-2018 , 12:42 AM
So how much is he down after that?
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07-29-2018 , 12:51 AM
NVG, where you can win probably millions in online cash, online tournaments, and live tournaments, but you cant beat micros cause you turned $ 100 to $ 1300 over 40 sessions.

Also at some point are we gonna stop letting people post ridiculous attack threads under the guise of what, it's a view?

I mean I get this has been a great week if you dont like me but at some point come on. Not to mention a bunch of stuff in the OP is just straight out of the other threads.

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07-29-2018 , 01:16 AM
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Originally Posted by WCGRider
NVG, where you can win probably millions in online cash, online tournaments, and live tournaments, but you cant beat micros cause you turned $100 to $1300 over 40 sessions.

Also at some point are we gonna stop letting people post ridiculous attack threads under the guise of what, it's a view?

I mean I get this has been a great week if you dont like me but at some point come on. Not to mention a bunch of stuff in the OP is just straight out of the other threads.
Hey, I tried commenting on limiting the number of threads about you, too. Instead, I got a troll reply from a mod.
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