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01-08-2020 , 01:15 AM
Gotta beat people with whole cards
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01-08-2020 , 01:18 AM
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Originally Posted by Starks Pizzeria
Gotta beat people with whole cards
Hole cards you happy?
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01-08-2020 , 10:17 AM
He is certainly a lucksack.
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01-08-2020 , 10:44 AM
but Andy is better
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01-08-2020 , 11:02 AM
Hey Garrett, now that you're here, give us your thought process on this one :
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01-08-2020 , 12:10 PM
But worst Survivor Tribal Council player ever. Balanced range.
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01-08-2020 , 04:18 PM
Here is the story of Garrett:

"If 1024 fair coins are each tossed 10 times, chances are good (> 63%) that at least one will come up heads 10 times in a row; and that coin will be proud to explain how its skill, faith, guts & determination made its achievement possible, and how that combo can work for you too."
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01-08-2020 , 05:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Zurich_1
Here is the story of Garrett:

"If 1024 fair coins are each tossed 10 times, chances are good (> 63%) that at least one will come up heads 10 times in a row; and that coin will be proud to explain how its skill, faith, guts & determination made its achievement possible, and how that combo can work for you too."
That analogy would be great if he only got into 10 large/all-in hands in his career. But, he's gotten into hundreds of thousands of them.

Do you realize that there are winrate and variance simulators/calculators that are publicly available (people on here use them all the time) where you can calculate the % chance of a longterm winrate being off from its results-value by X amount over Y sample size at Z winrate and W standard deviation?

If someone plays 2,000 hands, and is winning at 10bb/100, it doesn't mean anything. It could extremely easily just be luck over that sample size (ditto in the reverse direction).

If, on the other hand, someone plays a million hands, and is winning at 10bb/100, it is statistically extremely meaningful. If you had 1024 players, NONE of them would be mathematically expected to be winning at 10bb/100 over a million hand sample size if their true winrate was 0bb/100 or lower. The odds would be drastically more severe than that.

You have just enough of an understanding of statistics and probability to understand that if there are a large amount of people, a few of them will get luckier than the rest (within a small/medium sample size) to a "surprising" degree. But, you don't seem to have enough of an understanding of statistics and probability to understand how severe the odds numbers get once the sample size at hand gets extremely large. That's where your analysis crapped out.

If you had been making the argument in regards to a tournament player, it would've had a much higher chance of being a valid argument, since long-term tournament variance (particularly for a live-tourney player, where it takes even longer to have a legit sample size in that format) can go drastically longer in those, and for someone who got really lucky or unlucky could outweigh even a career/lifetime length of live-tourney sample size.

But, this is cash games. If a guy crushed online for a huge sample size of hands (which he did) and then crushed live for a very big sample size of hands as well (which he did), he's pretty clearly a strongly winning player, and not a breakeven/losing player who just went on a heater for the past 15 years. That's not to say that he couldn't have also run a lot better than the avg LATB player on big LATB hands. That's a small enough sample-within-a-sample that he could've. But, on a career level, no, he obviously didn't just get lucky to make millions of dollars playing poker over the giant sample size that he played over more than a decade of play.
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01-08-2020 , 06:02 PM
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Originally Posted by jmurjeff
Hole cards you happy?
Im never really happy
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01-08-2020 , 06:05 PM
You spelled "I'm" incorrectly.
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01-08-2020 , 10:35 PM
I like Garrett a lot. He is very entertaining to watch and his podcast with Joey Ingram is one of the greatest. Very cool down to earth guy. I think it's ridiculous to say he got lucky to earn what he has playing poker. No one is that lucky, something else is going on.

On balance though he is one of the worst survivor players of all time. Blindsided on the second tribal council of the show. Left an idol back at camp. 2nd worst flameout of all time! He played it fast and loose like he does cash games. Should have brought his tournament game to Survivor instead. Just sit back and survive. He even says he wants to outwit and outplay and not survive in the clip. Should have been thinking about playing to win! Outwit, outlast, outplay.

7:41

"How did we come up with the criteria for brains? I'd like to see that data, cause uh....(eyeroll) (shrug)" Refering to Garrett. Lol. BURN!!!

Thanks for making poker fun to watch Garrett.

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01-09-2020 , 01:22 AM
I'm you happy?
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01-09-2020 , 11:12 AM
Yes, you am.
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01-09-2020 , 02:05 PM
Art is only person who ever can confuse Garret which shows just how good he is. My favorite thing ever was when Andy went all in and Garret had A5 or whatever for straight and snap called. Only time I've ever seen Andy go on tilt.
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01-10-2020 , 05:56 AM
I've been seeing Barry Greenstein sitting a mix of different games a lot lately in the plaza section of the Bike. It would be super sick to see him play in one of these Friday games on LATB with Gman. The old-school hyper-aggressive live player vs the new-school hyper-aggressive live player. I wouldn't even play in my usual game on that Friday I'd want to just rail that game. I'd imagine he would do a lot better than Hellmuth and Matusow.
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01-10-2020 , 01:50 PM
He's an absolute beast,gets people to do exactly what he wants,plays off of his image extremely well and has run super good on LATB

He's also fun for the right players to play with which is huge in live poker
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01-10-2020 , 01:54 PM
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Originally Posted by GentlemanJack
I have no idea if GMan is the best because we'd have to further define the metrics for what makes someone "the best".

But, I will say this: I gave up my PokerGo subscription because their lineups are so painfully boring! I got sick & tired of the current pros with ZERO personality at the table (Marchese, goose, etc, etc). But I will watch an LATB with GMan in it because he brings fun back into the poker broadcasts. The other pros out there are so dry but GMan knows how to work the table and I appreciate that about him.
Exactly
Who do you think the people who dump want to play with
Garret or GTO bots?
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01-10-2020 , 09:25 PM
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Originally Posted by ProRailbird
I'd imagine he would do a lot better than Hellmuth and Matusow.
I mean that's a pretty low bar. They are both terrible cash game players.
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01-10-2020 , 09:41 PM
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Originally Posted by ProRailbird
I've been seeing Barry Greenstein sitting a mix of different games a lot lately in the plaza section of the Bike. It would be super sick to see him play in one of these Friday games on LATB with Gman. .
He talked about that with Joey when he was on the pod and basically said he has no incentive at all to ever play in a televised game again.
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01-10-2020 , 09:59 PM
Hot take. He's good at poker.

Also, he seems fun to play with. A lot of the young robots should be learning from him on how to conduct themselves at live poker.
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01-10-2020 , 10:14 PM
Currently playing live @ LATB (I like how this sentence goes "live at live at..") with Hellmuth

I mean, if I was a rich guy who enjoyed losing money at NLHE I'd wanna play at that table for sure lol, bound to be a good time. Considering the line-up I'd probably be +EV at this moment anyhow. Don't even want to imagine Garrett's winrate

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O5OoipPFvzM

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01-10-2020 , 10:29 PM
He aint the best player
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01-10-2020 , 10:37 PM
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Originally Posted by HellKid
He aint the best player
Unless the asian guy Ken or the mohawk'd Andrea are wizards, then he is. But since I don't know them they very well may be, I guess

edit: Just realized that comment may not have been directed at my previous reply, but the thread as a whole

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01-10-2020 , 11:17 PM
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Originally Posted by mojo6911

I sat down. Played tight for an hour, folded mostly then I made a score. I had nothing, but he raised and I decided I don't care about the money, I'm just going to out play the guy, I'm going to out play this guy, this hand, I'll re-raise. he comes back over the top at me trying bully me like I'm some tourist, I hesitate for like two seconds then I'll re-raise and he makes a move to his checks and he looks at me, check his cards and looks at me again, and he mucked it, I took it down.

I got up and walked to the cashier, I sat with the best in the world, and I won.
Have u seen rounders? There is a scene almost exactly like what happened to you but with Johnny chan. Wonder if they based the movie off u.
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01-10-2020 , 11:52 PM
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Originally Posted by snowie963
Have u seen rounders? There is a scene almost exactly like what happened to you but with Johnny chan. Wonder if they based the movie off u.
You should go to comedy clubs and let the rest of the audience know that you get the references for all the jokes. It would impress them as much as it does all of us.
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