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10-08-2022 , 02:45 AM
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Originally Posted by pocket_zeros
Visual - looking away somewhere at a critical point in the Q4 vs J8 hand. At :18 into this video
She has jack high on the river and you think she is waiting for a signal whether to call or not? lol

btw what happened to the signal on the turn?

Notice how your theory makes no sense at all?
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10-08-2022 , 04:48 AM
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Originally Posted by pokerfan655
So if they're keeping it to just a couple spots why would they choose this one? Not only are they behind on the flop significantly, the hand is so ridiculous that it'll draw plenty of attention (as it did). Surely they would just play regular poker and find standard spots to bluff or value bet super thin that won't be obvious. It's a terrible spot to cheat - makes no sense whatsoever and with all else considered I would be shocked if she cheated here.

On another note I think Garrett is a tool for threatening her off camera - maybe she misread her hand as two clubs who knows, but he must of shot her a look like he was going to hit her or something absurd. For a guy that says he doesn't do it for the money and tries to donate to charity to make himself look good, he sounds like a bitch.
Well I'm not saying that it's a good spot. But if you're set out to pull this off you seek for spots. It might only be this game they have the opportunity. The fact she used a time chip in the other weird river decision indicates she was aching to play a spot like this.

It's like poker players only look at math and isn't able to grasp reality. If you're setting up a cheat in a game like this with multiple parties involved, you're not gonna be able to wait game after game for a good spot. How many spots occur where Garret goes all-in against Robbi with a bluff? That's the most likely spot they waited for.

Honestly with every post that defends Robbi I'm getting more sure she cheated. Not much reason in here. "It's a bad spot", "she's too hot", "Gman is the one cheating" etc etc.

Just look at RIP and Robbi. They soft play against each other, always makes the right decision, act very weird throughout etc. And you guys choose to die on hills like "so why would she run it twice". Why wouldn't you run it twice?? You do that all the time with the best hand. Noone is saying they for sure knew the card run-outs. It's so much more unlikely to know the card run-outs than to know the players cards. Sigh.

Last edited by tellus; 10-08-2022 at 04:54 AM.
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10-08-2022 , 05:50 AM
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Originally Posted by tellus

Honestly with every post that defends Robbi I'm getting more sure she cheated. Not much reason in here.
Yeah, pretty much.
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10-08-2022 , 11:53 AM
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Originally Posted by Roger Ramjet
She has jack high on the river and you think she is waiting for a signal whether to call or not? lol

btw what happened to the signal on the turn?

Notice how your theory makes no sense at all?
I mean, it's not like their hacking device would be in real time . . . they needed the cards to load onto their screen!!
It might take 3 or 4 minutes, you think computers are fast these days?

This is why she got 3 streets deep with J4off, she just flies blind until the signal comes in and then does what she is told.

It's the perfect plan!!!
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10-08-2022 , 11:59 AM
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Originally Posted by Roger Ramjet
She has jack high on the river and you think she is waiting for a signal whether to call or not? lol

btw what happened to the signal on the turn?

Notice how your theory makes no sense at all?
I didn't present a theory - I only presented a clip showing her looking away at a critical point in the hand. It's just a clue among many for everyone to make their own determination. I've been in the no-cheating side since day one, so perhaps rethink your reflexive tendencies.
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10-08-2022 , 12:03 PM
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Originally Posted by BSumner
I mean, it's not like their hacking device would be in real time . . . they needed the cards to load onto their screen!!
It might take 3 or 4 minutes, you think computers are fast these days?

This is why she got 3 streets deep with J4off, she just flies blind until the signal comes in and then does what she is told.

It's the perfect plan!!!
If there is a 2-3 mins delay, it would make sense for the J8dd and AKo hand. Also that hand vs Bill Klein the stream before where she tanked forever with AQ on Q95 6 to like a 20% pot bet
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10-08-2022 , 12:23 PM
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Originally Posted by tellus
Well I'm not saying that it's a good spot. But if you're set out to pull this off you seek for spots. It might only be this game they have the opportunity. The fact she used a time chip in the other weird river decision indicates she was aching to play a spot like this.

It's like poker players only look at math and isn't able to grasp reality. If you're setting up a cheat in a game like this with multiple parties involved, you're not gonna be able to wait game after game for a good spot. How many spots occur where Garret goes all-in against Robbi with a bluff? That's the most likely spot they waited for.
Got it - so you pick literally the worst possible spot where you're BEHIND in the hand to cheat! Brilliant! What an amazing cheating operation - let's not play a top 10% hand and find great spots to cheat and not get caught, let's play J4o that's -EV essentially on every street. You realize in that J4 hand if you played that hand 1000 times you would lose money right? Do you even know anything about poker?
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10-08-2022 , 12:53 PM
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Originally Posted by pokerfan655
Got it - so you pick literally the worst possible spot where you're BEHIND in the hand to cheat! Brilliant! What an amazing cheating operation - let's not play a top 10% hand and find great spots to cheat and not get caught, let's play J4o that's -EV essentially on every street. You realize in that J4 hand if you played that hand 1000 times you would lose money right? Do you even know anything about poker?
In isolation you are right, but it was 58% Garrett 42% Robbi pre flop, his 70% to her 30% flop and she had pot odds to call, his 53% to her 47% turn when she is getting 2-1 pots odds to call, so if from the start of the hand she thought he was trying to push her around, or was on a draw, and if she thought he would do that with worse high cards than her jack, then there is a certain twisted logic to her hand.
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10-08-2022 , 01:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Jay Why
In isolation you are right, but it was 58% Garrett 42% Robbi pre flop, his 70% to her 30% flop and she had pot odds to call, his 53% to her 47% turn when she is getting 2-1 pots odds to call, so if from the start of the hand she thought he was trying to push her around, or was on a draw, and if she thought he would do that with worse high cards than her jack, then there is a certain twisted logic to her hand.
In other words, pretzel logic.
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10-09-2022 , 05:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Jay Why
In isolation you are right, but it was 58% Garrett 42% Robbi pre flop, his 70% to her 30% flop and she had pot odds to call, his 53% to her 47% turn when she is getting 2-1 pots odds to call, so if from the start of the hand she thought he was trying to push her around, or was on a draw, and if she thought he would do that with worse high cards than her jack, then there is a certain twisted logic to her hand.
My point is if you can see his cards you are losing money after the flop long term - surely people cheating understand basic math. It's incredible to think she's cheating - there's plenty of spots in poker where if you're cheating you can bluff/go thinner on value and make it look legitimate, so the logic that cheaters would use this spot that's not even profitable is laughable.
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10-10-2022 , 03:12 AM
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Originally Posted by pokerfan655
My point is if you can see his cards you are losing money after the flop long term - surely people cheating understand basic math. It's incredible to think she's cheating - there's plenty of spots in poker where if you're cheating you can bluff/go thinner on value and make it look legitimate, so the logic that cheaters would use this spot that's not even profitable is laughable.
The pot odds she was getting justified the call.

Why is it incredible to think she is cheating? In view of the evidence piling up, it is incredible not to think she is cheating.

I think you are overlooking a possibility that we are talking dumb criminals here. The sensible thing to do would be to win on a hand like a Robbi KQ hand beating an AK hand, as that would be a common poker scenario so no one would question it. But they wouldn't realise J4 is such an unusual hand it would raise suspicions.

The suggestion is the card reader can tell all the forthcoming cards, so can predict that J4 will eventually win that hand. That being the case pot odds actually end up irrelevant to the decision if one KNOWS with certainty one is going to win the hand.

Don't forget, she said she knew she would beat him in the long run, and that confidence can come from knowing exactly when one is ahead.
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